| Tatoulia | Posted: 28 April 2017 - 07:01 AM |
Hello everyone--I've started a new chapter as the other one is getting unwieldy and this should solve Anony's missing button problem! Tillie, take good care of yourself today. I've asked Dr Scooter and Nurses Marty and Twinkles to check in on you. Porter, your three-day plan sounds terrific! WTG! | |
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| Joan | Posted: 05 June 2017 - 10:14 PM |
My bottom sheet tore and peeled off my mattress about ten years ago, I'm guessing. My pillowcase gets washed with the one or two loads of laundry I manage to do every 4 to 6 weeks. It's the best I can do. I do very well. I would have been dead 30 yrars ago, except for sn outstanding team (most of them in spirit world) and my own ingenuity at keeping myself breathing. | |
| Subclinical | Posted: 05 June 2017 - 09:32 PM |
Hi everyone! Porter, thinking of you and hoping your move is going well! Anony, good for you on your walk! You can paint a plastic shelf? How did that go? Tillie, I'm glad some stuff left, but wish it was more. I'm sure you can hardly see a change. Is stuff still coming in too? Do you ever want to cut the electricity? I change my sheets once a week at my best. More like 3x a month. My to do list is "everything that has to be done today or there will be negative consequences" plus the things I really want to do. I never get it all done, so there are always negative consequences or dissapointments or both. Today wasn't too bad. More out than in - I dropped off the trash and plastic and just bought education and food. And my class was great! Stirred the red glaze (it gets stirred 2-3 minutes every day until it is completely dissolved.) | |
| Tatoulia | Posted: 05 June 2017 - 09:26 PM |
Well garbage and recycling out, dishwasher emptied, emptied suitcases and have moved to bedroom/no permanent home located yet. I'm going to spend a few minutes getting ready for tomorrow then hop in bed. I wasted a lot of time tonight. If I put music in, I putter and get things done. Tomorrow night I'll put the music on. | |
| Tatoulia | Posted: 05 June 2017 - 03:23 PM |
Thank you for the tips re lists, Anony. Greatly appreciated. my list today includes emptying my suitcases, getting them out of the living room and finding a permanent home not just in my bedroom SubC, even at my worst, I change my sheets at least once a week. Sometimes in the summer I change them twice a week. If I am sick, I also change much more frequently. The clean sheet feeling is just so wonderful. I make my bed everyday. Right now with my summer bedspread it takes a bit of time but I have a system. Generally when people ask me where to start, I suggest getting trash out, getting dishes done, and making the bed. A made bed changes the whole room (in my eyes). I would rather a pile of dirty dishes than an unmade bed. | |
| Anonymoniker | Posted: 05 June 2017 - 01:44 PM |
~♡~Happy Hello to all!!!~♡~ 😀 | |
| Tillie | Posted: 05 June 2017 - 10:47 AM |
Good Morning Everybody 🙂 My To-Do lists are very simple. Well, another weekend has come & gone. My personal problem is that with the outside of this place looking so bad | |
| Tatoulia | Posted: 05 June 2017 - 09:57 AM |
Good morning! Joan, thank you for your insights into Time. Also your comments on sleep and the changing cultural view of sleep. SubC, I enjoyed reading your post and learning more about you and your situation! Very helpful. Tillie, re: making a to do list. I used to be a strong proponent of the to do list. I kept little lists and enjoyed checking things off as well as knowing I wasn't forgetting something I needed to do. In both college and grad school I was able to balance working, school and my household (such as it was) by keeping lists. In fact, many of my diary entries (which I shredded this year in favor of space) would contain lists of things to do. A while back I gave up on the lists, deciding that they were solid proof of my inertia and failures--somewhere along the line I just stopped taking care of things the way I used to. Well, in preparing for my trip I made a list. I listed the things I needed to get done--mani/pedi, car inspected, dealing with the other car, paying bills, what mom needed, etc. and do you know what? I was ahead of schedule and I got a good portion of the list done. I'm thinking I need to go back to lists--give them another try. I'm sure I would have never found the time for the manicure & pedicure if not for my list. And other things/I was able to group things into days to make sure I'd get them done. So, I'll give this list thing another try. I'll be specific enough (clean tub) rather than too general (clean house) I'm proud of everyone's accomplishments--just seeing what we can achieve together is inspiring. Joan, I know that you suffer and how hard you work on your health. Hearing from you is always wonderful--I know it's not easy. I've said it before and I'll say it again, I love to hear from everyone-- no matter the condition of your house, no matter what. I tend to stop posting when I stop doing. Magically, when I post, I get more done. | |
| Subclinical | Posted: 05 June 2017 - 05:40 AM |
Hi tatoulia. I'm sorry you were sick too, but glad your week off helped you feel better. You are starting to make me feel like I don't change my sheets enough. Hi Tillie, I can't imagine what it would feel like to have my to do list done. I think I was born with a to do list. Hi Joan! Hi everybody! Part of my hoarding problem came from not wanting to waste my time. I was raising and homeschooling three children. I am a very good at teaching and very good at kids, but, because I'm a hoarder, I'm very bad at the decision making purging process. So that was really slow and hard and ate up too much time. I had to have someone review their work every year, so instead of curating a portfolio, when they were done with an assignment and we had gone over it, I threw it in a box. When the box got full, I started another box. And at the end if the year, I took all the boxes to the evaluator, who returned them to me after signing off (I'm not sure he ever looked in the boxes) So many cool things came into my hands that might be useful for a lesson or a project... When they were done with toys, all the toys went down to the basement for later - clothes, books.... Too hard to choose what to save. Don't have time. Gotta teach math/go to the library/do the laundry/bake/it's zoo day.... I'll get to this later. Then the basement got full and the house started filling up.... Later never came. They grew up. I guess now is later. Yesterday was pretty good. I made progress on my evaluations for my job, I helped dh with the addition, I picked the cherries in a timely fashion, I spent a little time in my garden, I worked on the studio (I started the red glaze), I emptied another feed box, and I went to bed with an almost clean kitchen. All that came into the house was Dd's plastic Chinese take out container. It still has food in it. Today I have to go out in the world. I will take some of the trash and all of the plastic bag recycling. Hopefully I will make good decisions. Today I have to | |
| Joan | Posted: 04 June 2017 - 08:45 PM |
Time itself is something we bring value into by occupying a certsin space/time with our consciousness. In and of itself, time is inert. I am very cautious about the usual notions of valuing time. Is time spent asleep "time wasted"? In the past the answer would have been yes, but just now people are learning the value of sleep. I have never had proper sleep on an ongoing basis at any time in my entire life. I am still working towards having sleep at night and functional time during the day. My functional time now is still barely enough to cover survival tasks. If I do not spend most of my time in a resting state, my system will start blowing gaskets. All Doing comes from Being. Time is valuable as a receptacle of consciousness. Time cannot be properly evaluated from a linear viewpint. It would be like evaluating an iceberg by the tip of its tip. | |
| Tatoulia | Posted: 04 June 2017 - 07:42 PM |
Hello Tillie! I've managed to run the dishwasher and do two loads of laundry since I've been back. I need to do much more laundry and I should change my sheets but I think instead I'll just head to bed. Kittycat is purring away and naturally very, very cute. I figure re the sheets I only slept on them fir half a week, do I can change tomorrow or the next day and it will be fine. Good point re time, SubC. I question my choices of how I spend it. Well I am heading off to bed--back to work--feels very restorative to have taken a week off. And even sweeter, only used 4 days since Memorial Day was in the mix. | |
| Tillie | Posted: 04 June 2017 - 05:59 PM |
Hi Tatoulia 🙂 Been taking it easy today since all my "have-Tos" have been done. Subclinical 🙂 Makes me very sad to see how many years have been wasted by his hoard. ;P | |
| Tatoulia | Posted: 04 June 2017 - 05:15 PM |
Hello everyone--home safe & sound. Was sick most of my trip but still a great time. Have cat in car now and BF is driving us home. Loved reading your posts! Tillie, yours is very instructive--thank you! | |
| Subclinical | Posted: 04 June 2017 - 04:48 PM |
This: "Craft supplies for hobbies that you used to do but no longer have the inspiration to do any longer is now clutter." Really jumped out at me. I have a lot of materials for projects that I either want to do or want to want to do (in some cases the desire has been beaten down by failure and derision even though the idea is still appealing.) Also, I fight depression, and some days I don't "want to" do anything. But I think about the reasons I don't do a lot of these things and they come down to time (I say I don't have enough, but i need to look at how I'm using the time I have) and scope (I am overwhelmed b the quantity of materials and number of projects. So, one rational solution would be to just clear out all the supplies except a small selection and actually do those things. But I don't want to spend the time getting rid of perfectly useful things for projects I want to do instead of doing the projects. Today dh and I worked in the studio/shop barn cleaning up and organizing. It got really really bad over the last year. I only straightened a small area and got rid of a handful of recycling, but I also used some of my materials to start some work for my class that begins tomorrow and found the tools I will need. And I looked around at the overwhelming studio space and chose three tasks that will USE UP stockpiled materials and make more space while I engage in activities I think I want to do. I wrote them in big letters on the chalk board and I'm going to try to do one every day. They are: *Mix glaze (I have stockpiled the last dried out inch of hundreds of bottles - actually remixing and using them will save me money at more than minimum wage for my efforts.) *Throw and fire barrel pots (something I enjoy that will use up some of the clay in my studio, although the kind I have the least of, use up the scrap wood and sawdust I have stockpiled for firing, and bring in income because I sell these) | |
| Tillie | Posted: 04 June 2017 - 11:58 AM |
A good way to determine if something is reasonable or just random clutter is it's immediate usefulness and condition. I keep trying to get Steven to bring his friend over here to help him see what is what. | |
| Subclinical | Posted: 03 June 2017 - 02:51 PM |
Thank you Tillie. There is a line about how being paranoid doesn't mean there isn't someone out to get you. It is like that for me with stuff. I know that I should have a right to a certain amount of space and quantity of possessions, but I am never sure where that line reasonably goes. I often enlist dh (which won't work in this case) my mom (who is not a farm person and would be appalled by even one loaf of slightly moldy bread) or my kids (not in a conflict with their father) to guage if I am out of line. Today have sorted out the boxes and removed the compost. I am down to five from seven, so it looks like it will be the right amount of food for the whole week. I worked in my garden a little - non stuff focused enjoyable use of time I am trying to make more central, and I made a pie from the cherries that I actually 1- picked before the birds got them, and 2 - used before they spoiled in my fridge! Yay me! I cleaned out the fridge a little. I had to toss four pork chops out in the woods, because dh and dd didn't eat them and said they had been in there too long. The waste of money annoys me, but more the waste of the pig's life! (I'm a vegetarian in case that hasn't come up yet) I'm behind on the milk, but I am handling the mail ok. Not cutting into the paper backlog lately though, just managing the inflow. I wanted to make cheese today, but the pie took too much time, energy, and extra dishes. | |
| Tillie | Posted: 03 June 2017 - 10:44 AM |
Subclinical 🙂 | |
| Subclinical | Posted: 03 June 2017 - 08:19 AM |
Also, I got too caught up in the bread and forgot to tell you that I hope your hoarder makes some progress on the driveway this weekend! | |
| Subclinical | Posted: 03 June 2017 - 06:33 AM |
Anony, thank you for sharing, I feel like I can see your counter. It makes me smile for you! Tillie, about the food: I then felt like I had to "sneak" the boxes down to the basement and have not had a good chance to sort all of them without him noticing and getting angry, and one may be getting tomato juice on the unfinished, carpet glue residue and rust stain covered, concrete floor. My thought about that is that if I'm lucky the acidity will loosen some of the glue before I clean it up. Usually there are only one or two boxes. is it in your husband's way? - Does he have to fight his way around it to do things?- Is it attracting bugs or rodents?- What does he say about it being there?- He lives there too and if he has a reasonable complaint about it then it is not right to ignore his thoughts & feelings on this matter :)- Also, as the hoard has diminished, the space in the house where I am allowed to "store" stuff has been slowly reduced. The basement is still on the list of my spaces, and he has said repeatedly that he doesn't care what I do down there as long as he has a clear path to the area with the electric box (he does) and everything is away from the walls (it is, except one storage rack that he placed.) I hate the basement and would prefer to have one of the first floor rooms with light to work on my projects, but he wants them kept "nice" for guests. I am hoping to renegotiate after I have made more progress, dd moves out, and the addition is finished. But I would not store moldy bread in a guest room. Just sewing/quilting/spinning/knitting/teaching/scrapbook stuff. Maybe one project at a time that could be cleared away with a little warning. Right now the guest rooms and dining porch still shift back and forth between usable and overwhelming so I have no ground to stand on. | |
| Tillie | Posted: 02 June 2017 - 11:12 PM |
Hi Everybody 🙂 HEY!!!! PORTER!!!!! 😀 Hi Tatoulia 🙂 Hi CriticalMass 🙂 Hi Subclinical 🙂 Hi Joan 🙂 Hi Anonymoniker 🙂 Well another weekend is here, again. | |
| Tatoulia | Posted: 02 June 2017 - 10:32 PM |
Quick hello--good to read your conversations, SubC, Joan & Anony. I'm on my trip. Very tired so heading to bed. Great work in the cupboard, Anony! It sounds beautiful & clean! The objects in it are terrific! Hoping Tillie is OK. | |
| Anonymoniker | Posted: 02 June 2017 - 06:22 PM |
Ive become fascinated with compost! Maybe its the rebirth reality, maybe its the primal aspects, maybe its just that old, used up stuff can be useful?(ha ha) | |
| Subclinical | Posted: 02 June 2017 - 03:47 PM |
Thank you for understanding. I would like hear (especially from Tillie or other non hoarders) if the bread thing seems reasonable or ideas to change it. When my dd and son in law lived in a duplex, son in law used to freeze the compost in plastic containers and bring it when they came out to the farm. It drove dd nuts. My friend's son runs a compost route. He picks up compostable food scraps from people who subscribe to the service and delivers them to a composting location on a farm. I'm not sure how the getting paid part works. I had a compost tumbler. It's ok, but it's a batch composted, so yin need two. Because at some point you Havel stop adding things and just turn it. Also you have to be careful about the moisture level. Now I just have a three heap system. If I lived where I couldn't, might try an indoor worm farm. Anony, I really want to know what six things you have on your counter. | |
| Anonymoniker | Posted: 02 June 2017 - 02:58 PM |
~♡~Hello all you wonderful forum friends!!!~♡~ | |
| Joan | Posted: 02 June 2017 - 01:10 PM |
SubC, I can relate. I used to save all of my old food scraps and mulch them in a bin at a Whole Foods near me. Now they've stopped putting out the bin, and it is a dilemma for me. I end up now just throwing the food waste in the trash. I don't feel good about it, but where I live there is nowhere outside to just recommit the stuff to nature. | |
| Subclinical | Posted: 02 June 2017 - 06:04 AM |
Yesterday evening I worked at the food bank. We had boxes and boxes of bread. Also greens in packaging. It seems like the grocery stores always gave too little or too much to give us. There is not enough refridgeration for these things - the space is taken up by dairy and eggs which people prefer. The room is not air conditioned. The bread goes moldy quickly. And I was the only farmer there Ruth kept packing things up because they had a sppt of mold or were getting limp or were too bruised. I asked her "how much of this do you want me to take?" And she said "it's you or the dumpster." So now, my car is full of old bread and spoiled produce. I couldn't unload it all last night. I was tired and dh wanted me to do other stuff. So now my chickens will eat well and free for a while, and I will recycle the bread bags instead of tossing them in the dumpster. But I also have a lot to do, and managing this will use my time. Also I have no good place to store the bread. I was leaving it in the garage but a raccoon found a way in. - if I put it in the barn and a goat gets loose it could eat some and get sick (I have no secure storage in the barn) so I put it in the basement, and dh sees it and gets angry. I try to see this differently, but my brain refuses. It is a small use of time that saves money and helps the environment. Both of these things make me feel good and I do not see the harm. Other people appear to consider this behavior normal (they think I'm weird for saving and recycling the case wrap, which mostly uses time when I would just be standing around at the food bank, plus two or three minutes to move to small bags at home and drop at the store when I go) | |
| Subclinical | Posted: 01 June 2017 - 02:30 PM |
I too would like to hear about porter's move! CM - so exciting that you are almost done packing your breakables! I still think it's great that you are going to quilting group. I still am not back to my 100% (which isn't even close to normal 100%.). Also I had kind of a setback today. The basement is somewhat jumbled from the rapid clean up, and I had a large framed picture leaning against the side of a box. I went down to get a box of potatoes to sort out (if you don't sort through them checking for bad spots regularly, one spoils and then it gets left in and things get really ugly.) and as I was turning with the box held in both hands by cut out handles, I had to step over something. I bumped the picture with my knee, it fell, and I stumbled and stepped on it. The miracle was that the glass didn't break and I was ok, but that could have been really awful. It was a reminder that as far as I have come, my home is not safe, and I still have too much stuff and continue to make bad decisions. I remember back when I first realized that I was a hoarder and started being honest with myself about the situation and taking responsibility, I was at the park with a friend and a couple she was friends with. I commented to my friend that I was planning to work in the basement that week, and the other woman said "oh,we need to clean out our garage. It's horrible!" I said "probably not this horrible." And she said "oh, I bet it's worse. We don't even let people in there because it's so embarrassing." And my friend said, deadpan, "I don't let my kids in her basement because they could die." | |
| CriticalMass | Posted: 01 June 2017 - 10:12 AM |
Got about 2/3-3/4 of the way done on packing the breakables yesterday. Close enough that I may just finish packing them at storage tomorrow, stopping by a liquor store or somewhere if I need a sturdy box or two. I'm wondering about pushing myself just to arrange for and proceed with the move soon. Realizing it's never going to be as "perfect" and efficient as I'd wish - and that the whole point is to simply get the stuff closer so that continuing to deal with it will be easy, not requiring the planning and gasoline expense of a trip across town. I had left stuff at the current location in 2012 because although it wasn't right around the corner from where I was moving to, I didn't anticipate making the second move in 2015 to further in the oopposite direction. On the 17th of this month, our city government is having a Housing Expo which I plan to go to. I'm not planning to move out of my friend's house that soon, but I'd like to see if there are resources that could be pertinent for me in the long term. Anyway, today is an open-ended day and I'll just be around the house for most or all of it. So my big goal is laundry and doing what I can on my bedroom which is rather scary at the moment. I hope by bedtime tonight it'll be neater and more peaceful and liveable. | |
| Tatoulia | Posted: 31 May 2017 - 11:28 PM |
Hi SubC & CM. Good to hear from you both! Glad you'll be getting stuff to the church sale, CM. That will be a good feeling! I managed to get out a bag of recyclables before leaving this AM. I have three bags of garbage, which I won't be able to get out until Monday night. I get home Sunday, so hopefully not too smelly when I get home. SubC I know that feeling of having papers piled up. So much to deal with. I don't know how people get through their papers. They are everywhere. I've gotten better but am hardly a model paper citizen. It's getting easier but still difficult. Hoping for an update from Anony and Porter. Hope you are doing ok Tillie! | |
| CriticalMass | Posted: 31 May 2017 - 08:48 AM |
I'll just hit a few highlights and then I need to scoot to church for quilting. But I've been checking in. Hoping your anxiety is all gone, Tatoulia, and Tillie, hope your frustrations are lessened. SubC, good idea to take advantage of those opportunities! Me, I've been pretty scattered and so has my environment. Had some anxiety pretty strong yesterday but my prayer hour got me past that. Very thankful that it did! 🙂 Just busy with this and that, and hoping to get a handle on things like laundry and papers that have made my bedroom pretty messy. Plus those fragile items I bought home from storage to repack - only a few of those left. I'll feel a lot better when the bedroom at least somewhat liveable again. Monday I can finally take my garage sale donations to the church - yay! It'll feel good to have them out of my hair. The sale is the 8th-10th. I'm going to shop then work a shift at it - but I promise to be good. Hoping I can find some clothes, maybe even shoes that I really do need and can't afford at retail prices. Take care all - wonder how Porter is doing . . . | |
| Subclinical | Posted: 31 May 2017 - 05:51 AM |
Enjoy your trip! The fact that vacuuming is even an option sounds pretty together to me. My throw rug is rolled up on the porch wet because one of the dogs had an accident. I washed it but need to roll it out on the driveway to dry when the rain stops and then vacuum it. Meanwhile, I need to take advantage of the clear floors from the visit to really clean them before I start creating a bunch of "work stations" again. the kitchen table gas already become a "file" for papers that ds returned to me. He took his "keeping box" when he moved out last year, and has sorted through it. He brought back cards and letters that were actually his sisters', a little bit of art he did as a kid, and the directions to some games. Dd who lives at home already took care of her pile, but there is a card to her from my grandparents (now deceased) that she rejected and I wanted. Lots of laundry, some lingering dishes. End of the year paperwork for my classes, and a garden to weed. Any progress on the actual hoard will be incidental. | |