You are not a failure in any sense!! You may feel that way now but it is not reality!
The dentist is probably protecting his own hide. If he accepts any responsibility for whatever happened he opens himself up to a lawsuit. His denial is no failure on your part at all.
The dogs are not your fault either. You could not have predicted their dislike for each other. If anything the owners' should have made clear to you of any possible problematic behavior like the little one being vicious.
Life is so hard, sometimes we just need a huge fucking break.
My heart goes out to you, I am so familiar with despair.
I probably lost your email in the mounds of papers on my desk. Can we chat? I'll keep myself in and keep checking.
much love to you {{{hugs}}
Dianne
Posted: 16 May 2014 - 04:23 PM
Re: tough love ~
From Wikipedia ~ Tough love is an expression used, usually for the purpose of justification when someone treats another person harshly or sternly with the intent to help them in the long run. The phrase was evidently coined by Bill Milliken when he wrote the book Tough Love in 1968 and has been used by numerous authors since then. In most uses, there must be some actual love or feeling of affection behind the harsh or stern treatment to be defined as tough love. For example, genuinely concerned parents....
IMO there is a place for tough love. I'm not sure it should be on this board. We have no moderator and no way of deleting posts. If we are tired or frustrated with people who refuse our attempts at helping them perhaps a better option would be for the one offering help to say, "I have no other suggestions for you." or to simply continue on with our own progress.
My concern is that there are people who just read here and may be fearful of being judged. When a poster of some status doles out tough love it can give the impression that if one doesn't put forth enough effort they will be called out. I understand the difference between a person who continually makes excuses and one who struggles but tries. Using myself as an example there have been times when I have not posted because I've been afraid of judgment for different reasons.
My other concern is that the regular posters have acknowledged that we need to be a part of this board. None of us want to lose our place in this community. If someone isn't strong enough to handle the tough love they may feel driven out. Hoarders are already isolated in real life. To make them feel isolated here is not right. Let their family use tough love in reality; and if they are lucky, the help of a trained therapist as well.
If we do want to offer a computerized version of tough love I suggest that it be worded in such a way that the targeted person does not feel personally attacked or belittled. It should truly be constructive tough love and not simply a venting from a person who has had enough.
Again, all this is just my humble opinion. People are free to say what they want of course.
peace to all of you ~~ Dianne
diane
Posted: 16 May 2014 - 04:09 PM
I am in such despair right now, just feel like such a failure. Got letter back from dentist and he said he did not pull wrong tooth or break other tooth and I will no longer be able to get care from him. I ripped out a bunch of dead vines as I processed it. It was so clear to me why I isolate, failing in relationships over and over and the pain and hopelessness after every failed attempt. I felt like why even try anymore, so sad. Then I read your posts, LR so nice you spoke of isolation, made me feel less alone and a little less hopeless. I never learned people skills, and may never learn them well enough to communicate without blowing it. I can see why the hoard gave me a reason not to be out with people, shame of hoard, and they might find out. truth is the shame of saying things harshly made me choose stuff over people, I have been beat up and hurt so much over my life, that is what I know. Even though I think I have improved and wrote carefully to the dentist, the response was a clear indication of my failure once again. I feel really sad and not sure what to do to feel better. The rest of the story, I thought I could dog sit 2 dogs from different homes, well they hate each other and I have to keep them separate at all times, which has taken hours to figure out ways that they can't get at each other, the bigger one has knocked down fencing and barriers to get at the smaller one, smaller one is more vicious. so of course I think it is my fault, if I was a better person they would get along, no way, I have really done everything right to make them both feel loved and at home. I have so far succeeded but will never do this again, one dog at a time. Also poor sleep last night due to 2 dogs and tooth pain. and to think, I was on top of the world a few days ago and today I feel like life is too hard to go on
Vi0l3t
Posted: 16 May 2014 - 03:33 PM
Hullo! Yesterday I was so glad to read about all your doing and this morning too. Diane and Roxie, I'm so glad you guys are focusing on harmful spiders and know which are the ones to look out for. Spiders freak me out as do bees but I've made it a point to know my enemy. I find it admirable that many of you have a no kill policy when it comes to these fascinating but fearsome little beasties. One thing many of you may not know is that the Giant House Spider http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giant_house_spider is often confused with Brown Recluse and can actually be a benificial spider to find around your home as they compete with and often deter Brown Recluse from their territory. Tillie, please be careful near those wasps. Depending on the species you may be in trouble dealing with them. paper and mud wasps are fairly easily dealt with just by removing the nests, but if it's a yellow jacket (ground wasp)you should be aware they will swarm and bite/sting en masse. Bald faced Hornets are also scary to deal with if you have them there as well.
Yesterday I didn't do much, but i did get the bathroom cleaned out and planned my attack on the house for today, unfortunately it's much stow n go, but it's only for the weekend. Good luck to all of you and I hope to see you Sunday night :)
Tillie
Posted: 16 May 2014 - 01:32 PM
Good morning :)
WAY TO GO!!! everybody for making plans and getting so much accomplished!!! :D
Even just thinking about things is accomplishing. Everything first starts in our selves, our thoughts & emotions. Then we can start to make them happen in our lives. Until we first imagine them, they cannot happen.
Sometimes people come here and refuse to accept any of our help. They spend a lot of time and energy coming up with excuses as to why they cannot even attempt to try any of our suggestions. They just want us to validate all their excuses. It becomes very tiring and frustrating. They leave us with only one option, "tough love". We tell them the unvarnished truth about their constant denial and refusal to help themselves. So very sorry if this offends anybody here, but they really do need to hear it. Maybe someday they will accept it. (((hugs)))
Taking today very slow. The muscles in my legs are very sore and tight and I walk funny now. The wasp sting has half my arm swollen, red & itchy even though I am loaded with Benadryl. Finally decided it will not get cold enough any more to need my down comforter so I washed it and have it out drying on the line. Need to do kitty related stuff. Going to write up a grocery list so I will be ready if I get to the store tomorrow. Have a book to read today. My plan for this weekend is to force him to raise the hoods on all his vehicles so that I can kill all the wasps that are nesting in there. You can see them all going in and out of those locations. Last weekend he refused to do this but I am very serious now.
LR, I just saw your post. I'll look forward to reading your thoughts on isolation when you write them later.
Dianne
Posted: 16 May 2014 - 09:51 AM
Hey Billie, good to see you posting. Congrats on all the table clearing/cleaning. Sounds lovely now. :)
Tillie your yard must look so pretty. Nice that you had the rewards of delicious food and fresh linens waiting for you!
Roxie, the spider I fear the most is the Brown Recluse. Although not very common here several people have been hospitalized with the bites at the hospital 15 minutes from me. As they hide in hoard-like areas I'm afraid with clearing out that I'll disturb somebody's home. If it's an area that I haven't cleared in a very long time I'll wear gloves now. Know that you are very loved and I'm holding you in spiritual hugs my dear sister. Do you want to meet me in a chat today between 12:00 and 1:00 EST? I'll check back here. If that time doesn't work for you, any time that would? I'm available all weekend.
The sun just broke thru here, earlier than expected. The rain was not as destructive as predicted. There's a beautiful breeze and the leaves are sparkling with raindrops. It was fascinating to watch on radar the wide swatch of rain from Canada to Georgia in an almost perfect north/south column travel almost straight east.
Now the weekend sounds beautiful for any activities one could plan. I look forward to opening windows, prepping some good food to be ready for breaks, working more in the garage and poolhouse. And looking out for those spiders!
LR2014
Posted: 16 May 2014 - 09:30 AM
Good morning, everyone.
Following up from yesterday: I didn't work in my BIT book as planned, nor did I get my laundry dried. I will move both of those plans to today. I did run dishwasher, washed more clothes, made my doc appointment, got prescriptions filled, and I did a lot of reflecting on some things my doc and I discussed. (My "isolating" came into the discussion.) Because my doc is truly a family doctor and has been my doc off and on for over twenty-five years, he has seen me in life periods when I was much less of an isolated person. I have been doing a lot of thinking about what contributes to my isolation (it isn't all just my "stuff," although my "stuff" contributes to it) and what I am and am not doing to move back out of isolation. Maybe I'll write some later on that topic in the "spirituality" thread.
Tillie, one of my fond childhood memories is being at my grandparents' house out in the country and being around their evaporative cooler. I get "warm" feelings thinking about your "cooler."
Plans for today: Pay some bills, get laundry dried and put away, meet with some people at noon today, work in my BIT book for at least 15 minutes, spend at least ten minutes on organizing my paperwork, add to my gratitude list, and review my "plans for the week" that I wrote out several days ago. As with certain other days this week, I may have to adjust my plans, depending on how I am feeling physically. (That's OK.)
I'm glad that you share your days and your wonderful self with us, Roxie. Lots of hugs. As a small side note, I'm glad you're going to look into those masks. I think that wearing masks more often has helped me with all kinds of physical things lately (headaches and allergies, especially). I need to keep that in mind today.
Hugs to all.
Roxie
Posted: 16 May 2014 - 06:15 AM
Not much to say, but I wanted to check in to let you know how much I appreciate your posts and your thoughts about things. I get it, I really do.
I won't say much about my hospital appt. yesterday other than that the tests went fairly smoothly and I will see the doctor Monday afternoon for the analysis. I somehow know it will not be good news and I am mulling my mortality. At 65 I know my years are numbered, anyway, so I figure I'll try to focus on quality of time and getting things like my will and a living will in order. It will be as it all should.
When the weather finally cooperates, my getting outside to do yard work and also metal detecting will help as it will give me mild exercise, which is very important. I will look into respiratory masks for some chores like burning off wood.
Didn't yet do my spider rescue mission. Hey, Dianne, remember "spiders are my friends," except when they have red shapes on their bodies. Good policy to live and let live. :)
Tillie
Posted: 15 May 2014 - 10:06 PM
HI :D
After all those hours spent yesterday doing yardwork my body hurts. lol Anyways, got up early again today, took aspirin with my tea, dressed, put on sunscreen, hat and long sleeve shirt over my dress and went back out there. Pruned low hanging branches from trees, trimmed the mountain laurels, fertilizer & compost to everything, watered everything. My body still hurts, but only when I move. Came back inside about noon and did stuff in here then took a shower and washed my hair. Then did three loads of laundry, dried it on the clothes line, folded & put it all away. It got hot here today. Late afternoon we got the evaporative cooler up and running. Nice :D Had my dinner all made up already and in the fridge. Rice seasoned with curry, sausages and mixed vegetables. Lounging here in my bed all made up with freshly washed, sun dried linens. :) I am exhausted. Oh Yeah, made a point of finding out what channel & time Dr Phil is on here. Watched it. Wanted to educate that woman's children and wanted to punch that husband. Taking tomorrow off. Would do a pedicure if I could bend over without pain. lol Almost falling asleep at the keyboard. I am happy, I got to go outside finally. :)
billie
Posted: 15 May 2014 - 09:37 PM
Ok..trying this again.... Hello to....my helpful, enouraging caring and fun friends.
Well I am finally back on the boards again. Tuesday night I made a start at packing up my Easter Village decoration that were on my dining room table. Wednesday I also spent sometime on them. Today I finished packing them and took them to their place in the basement. Now my brass and glass dining room table is all cleared and clean :) Today I cleared and cleaned the brass and glass coffee table that is in the living room. Then from under the table I took 4 pair of shoes and 1 pair of boots and put them upstairs in the closet. Also washed 2 loads of laundry.
Yesterday I completed the finishing touches on the fish aquarium(it is located in a corner of the dining room)and I am enjoying it very much now:) I am hoping that this will keep me motivated to reclaim more and more of my dining room, but of course a little bit at a time and reclaim more of my living room a little bit at a time. Today(it's 9:30-Central right now) I would like to get my dishes washed, that have been setting for a week. My plan is to wash them during the commercials...I have done them that way many times. Live..Laugh..Love..I'll be back tomorrow...?
diane
Posted: 15 May 2014 - 07:34 PM
Bummer billie.T I called and made dental appt. First available was 8am June 2nd. It is hot today so been just hanging out. Turned on Dr. Phil and saw the last 1/2 of hoarder woman, with her family who tried to "help" then went to Dr. Phil.com and read the transcript of first 1/2 of show. Startling how much I could relate to her thinking. She likes to "fix" things so has lots of stuff to make into other things, sees herself as creative. Has trouble throwing anything away. Looking at her house, I could clearly see that it was mostly junk, hope it will help me see my junk as junk. A hoarder can rationalize lots of reasons to keep stuff, all the possibilities----. She is a dentist and works at home, in a 9,000 square ft house. I have a 900 sq ft home, but much of her thinking was so familiar. It was emotional seeing how sick our thinking is about the potential creativity.
billie
Posted: 15 May 2014 - 07:20 PM
Well Crap! I had just spent a good part of an hour composing a quite lenthy post on here and OOPS!...it did not go through. So I am going to write it down on paper first before I try again....
diane
Posted: 15 May 2014 - 02:35 PM
Bad tooth ache again today, have I called to make an appt? No of course not, my goal today is to make appt. Have not heard back from first dentist, was trying to wait until he responded, but must just go to 2nd dentist. weird morning, I am so used to having to pick stuff up before people come over, but did that yesterday. Feel a little lost with time to relax before friend comes over at 2pm. Did go into a bedroom, did very little, felt overwhelmed, shut door. Next time in will have to take timer, no way can I face that mound without knowing 15 minutes and I can leave it. Finally took shower and washed hair, way overdo. 2 loads laundry today, one is spinning now, then will hang out. I really dislike making appts, but I will when I sign off. Nice hearing from you this morning, health problems can really interfere as stated by others. Cant imagine not being able to breathe, so sorry you have to deal with it.
Dianne
Posted: 15 May 2014 - 10:05 AM
Candy, your list as a mom of small kids is so true!! I remember those days. I saw your before and after videos. You have done an AMAZING job!!!!! Wow, I'll take my excitement at your accomplishments and use it to get more done here today, thanks! Eva is the most adorable little girl throwing everything out, hahaha!
Tillie, sorry about the wasp sting!
Diane, congrats on all the hard work done! That's wonderful to get such positive feedback from someone who can actually see all you have accomplished! She's right, there's lots to love about you, and I would add regardless of how much is left to do!
LR, I find my goals for the day frequently shift as I usually plan too much. The ones that get down to the wire (like paying bills) make in it the Ta Da pile. Spiders here are sometimes jumpers. I'm scared of all spiders so they can go where they please around me.
Vi, you've made such excellent progress in prepping for your move! Yeah, after all that it is not surprising to have an exhaustion crash. That perfect apartment is coming.
Roxie, I hope all goes well with the pulmonology tests today. Before you buy a recliner try one of those foam wedges for elevation and some pillows on top of that. I have GERD and when the acid comes into my throat it is one of the worst pains I have ever experienced. Even very tiny breaths are excruciating. I never lie flat. The adjustment to staying in that elevated position without moving off the pillows comes pretty quickly.
My days have been mixed up this week. I thought today was the day for heavy rains here but that's tomorrow. So I can get out for a few errands easier than expected ~ vet appt for recheck eye injury, dump run, pick up some fresh food. Inside is regular maintenance, some laundry and reclaiming a previously cleared corner of a room. That shouldn't take more than 30 minutes. The corner, not everything.
Good energy day to everyone!
LR2014
Posted: 15 May 2014 - 09:25 AM
Good morning, everyone! Following up on last night: I did get a bit more work done on my BIT book tasks, and I got the dishwasher almost ready to run (ran it this morning). Hit the sack early to make sure I could make morning doc appointment today (routine appointment).
Part of my plans for today are to find a particular paper I want to take with me to my morning doc appointment (it's within a foot or two of a certain area, so I don't have too much searching to do to find it), add to my gratitude list, get some more clothes dried and put away, and work a little more in the BIT book. I may alter the schedule later on once I see how things go (and how long things go) at my doc appointment.
Roxie, I relate to the thing about having people in and out. In the past, one sure-fired way to fire up my cluttering behaviors has been to get isolated. On the other hand, the more people I have in and out, the more I clean. That being said, though, I realize that in the past, one thing that led to things getting disorganized was trying to rush and "hide" my piles of clutter before company would come. Since I didn't pull the clutter back out of its new "hiding spot" right away after the company left, I might later forget where I'd stashed it. That contributed to things getting lost/misplaced/disorganized. So I think it's more fair in my case to say that things got cleaner when more people were in and out, but having people in didn't necessarily in and of itself reduce my actual clutter level . . . for me. Hmmmm . . .
Hugs to all.
Candy
Posted: 15 May 2014 - 09:24 AM
I had a very sweet gift from the man this morning. He had been up all night as usual, cooked food and all as usual, but this time he did all the dishes and put them away. I hope he keeps doing that. It's nice to wake up to not dishes. Does this mean I have to face my table now? Noooooooooooooooo But really yes it does and Tillie has spurred me on to do it and it must be done anyway. I do have some errands today so it might not happen yet because I need a good block of free time(what is that) to work. Coffee time and good morning to all:)
Roxie
Posted: 15 May 2014 - 08:29 AM
Finally the sun is trying to come out. It's a bit chilly, but I sat outside for a few minutes supervising the feral cats and the pushy raccoons. :)
This afternoon I have the pulmonology tests at the hospital. Makes me tired thinking of going. I was having trouble getting a breath today as I supervised and I felt panicky. I hate that feeling.
The new body pillow and the sleep mask are helping. I find it helps me sleep if my upper half is elevated more. Maybe I need to buy a recliner to sleep in. I think my stepmother already sleeps that way.
Diane, I know now that the reason I didn't descend into hoarderdom earlier is because the presence of other people in and out of my home helped me stay on top of things. Now, no people, no pressure... It really all started very slowly after my lower abdominal surgery many years ago. I learned to not see things then.
I am enjoying my coffee and enjoying your posts. (((group))))
vi0l3t
Posted: 14 May 2014 - 11:10 PM
Apparently I haven't posted in days. Hullo All, I'm sorry I missed last night's chat and hope to be back Sunday Night. things have suddenly gotten a lot more crazy. I made all that progress but then stalled hard these last few days. I have lots of excuses but the truth is I just feel like crap sometimes. today I got a call from the real estate agent who's selling the house and she has to hold an open house this weekend. it seems like everytime i think no one else is going to be in here someone else shows up who's involved with the selling. there are boxes of stuff everywhere and I'm just bloody tired. Last weekend we went to look at an apartment and decided against it. everytime we look at apartments we get frustrated by policies that are just aweful. Mostly pertaining to Cats which we have two of that are absolutely not parting with us :/ My mother is also in Denial of my problems and that's fun trying to explain to her that it really is a problem and not some minor quirk.... gah. on the upside i finally got a new pair of shoes. cute too. Yesterday I started paring down my yarn collection.... i threw out some stuff and today i've determined not to keep anything too small for a project, too worn or old to make a saleable project from or anything I just don't like. wish me luck. Goodnight folks, may you all have a good day tomorrow
LR2014
Posted: 14 May 2014 - 07:07 PM
Hi, everyone. Wow . . . lots of posts! I have so much I'd like to comment on, but for time's sake, I won't for now (except to say that I did have a LOL moment reading your list, Candy). Here's my personal LOL moment. I was scrolling down to refresh my memory about the goals I posted for today (to see which ones I still needed to finish). I couldn't find them! Then I remembered that something came up after I wrote them out, and I never did post them! Here goes:
Yesterday didn't go quite as planned. (That's turning out to be a theme for me lately.) I did get a fair amount done yesterday morning: a little work on my BIT book exercises, a decent amount of paperwork, and another thing or two. While I was out and about midday, I started feeling kind of under the weather. Came home, took a late afternoon nap and woke up just in time for the chat. (Yea!) Felt better by then. Decided some of my planned goals would have to be shifted to today or tomorrow.
If I'm feeling well enough today, I plan to work on my kitchen (clean some countertops, unload dishwasher, etc.). I'll also see which of yesterday's undone goals I can work on today. I am getting together later today with friends, so my time frame for working on things is a little more uncertain than on other days. I'll hold my plans kind of loosely today.
When it comes to spiders, I found an interesting technique a few years ago. Yes, I do sometimes do the glass with cardboard thing. Let me say up front that I don't always rescue spiders, but sometimes I do. Either way, it scares me when they run fast, and I definitely don't like to step on them (on them or on any kind of bug, really). I learned years ago that if a spider is in the sink or bathroom or something and I want to immobilize it, I can spray shaving cream on it. That often keeps the spider in place until I can relocate it to wherever.
Hugs to all.
diane
Posted: 14 May 2014 - 04:41 PM
Already Wednesday, and my dog friend is here with me. When his owner took a tour of all the work I have done in yard and deck and inside she was very amazed, helped me see how much progress I really have made. She noticed many artsy touches I forgot I did recently, since her last visit. It was very nice to have her appreciate how much better everything is, except off limits rooms. She kept saying, there is so much more room now. From 7am-1pm I cleaned kitchen, bathroom, dusted everything, hung up all clothes and put most away. Did dishes, washed dog dishes and filled. swept deck and dogs special area outside. I was so focused, nothing like the pressure of a persons visit to get me moving and finishing lots of details that I never got around to. Looks so peaceful now. She asked if I ever just sit and enjoy what I have accomplished. She also reminded me that I can stop and enjoy what is finished, even before everything is finished. She said lots of people die before finishing everything. She said there is lots to love about me and my talents even if 2 rooms and garage have unfinished work. I feel so much better and am enjoying my living space so much more right now. When there is conflict, I like to disappear but forced myself to sign on today, without this group, there is no way I could keep moving ahead with progress. Tillie, sounds fun and so nice with sun and no wind. Thanks for the patio info,, love the simplicity of many. Sorry about bite, ouch. I feel like your mother telling you to not overdo today in the heat, and plenty of fluids.
Tillie
Posted: 14 May 2014 - 04:01 PM
Since the hand I hurt the other week is finally not so painful today I got up and got out early and did a LOT of weeding & thinning out in my flower/herb garden. Still have a small section to do but it got hot out there. Came inside, washed up my hands and face, ate some lunch and am planning to rest up till about 3:00pm and go back out to finish that small section. Scooter helped me a lot by periodically leaping out and attacking my hands as I worked. A wasp stung me on the wrist. :( Thinking that tomorrow morning might be a good time to do some pruning on the trees & bushes. Also planning to spread some compost & steer manure around and water. I love warm sunny days with no wind, only a gentle breeze. :D
Candy
Posted: 14 May 2014 - 01:22 PM
Hello beloved friends. I thought it would be neat to give you an example of a basic to do list. This is not a list I usually write down but it is what ends up happening.
feed kids- about once an hour and sometimes FOR an hour. change diapers- about every hour to two. This also includes soaking and washing poopy ones which takes altogether an hour and a half to two hours out of the day. kids play- outside, inside, at the park, at a friends. This must happen to make naps happen. And naps must happen. quiet time- when all children are leaving you alone via naps or otherwise and I get to sit and stare into the distance absorbing peace and take a deep breathe for the next round.
You can laugh it's meant to be funny but based on reality for a mom with little ones :)
Dianne
Posted: 14 May 2014 - 10:22 AM
Roxie, I only chatted a few times when I first came here. It wasn't for me. When Diane said, yes she was referring to me and Dave about disappearing I assumed it was me she was referring to about thinking she made harsh comments in a posting situation. My mistake big time. I know by not chatting I miss out on another whole area of relationships. You know what they say about assumptions. My bad.
And Roxie your varied interests in reading and learning new things makes you a fascinating person. I'm happy that you and your son can remain close thru his fulfillment of your wish lists. And that he remains safe!
Laura and I got maintenance done early today. We are rewarding ourselves with a day game at Camden Yards. Tonight will be a couple hours of paperwork and bills.
Karl, interesting idea of the use of vertical space. :)
Rain, rain, rain, rain, still. :(
Diane and Dianne, are you referring to chat room things in your posts regarding December? If it was referring to posts here, then I have lost my mind.
Tillie: "I run a spider relocation program in my home." Then "Born Free" totally had me cracked up. But I think that might work on my mystery guest.
The rain has truly gotten to me and I just want to curl up somewhere and ignore life.
Karl
Posted: 14 May 2014 - 04:12 AM
Ceiling project: take advantage of the ceiling hook in the corner of my room to somehow make use of vertical space. My tentative plan was to make a chain of plastic rings, but while I was at my storage unit, I realized that the kite string was an adequate mechanism, and much simpler. I wasn't sure what to suspend from it -- I'd been considering a paper shopping bag -- but when I finished off the last of the ice cream, I realized that the gallon bucket was a better choice. I chose the height so that it's out of the way while I'm sitting here to use the computer, but it's at about chin height when I'm standing, so I can easily access the contents. I'm currently using it for pens and pencils and a few miscellaneous desk items which had previously been cluttering up a horizontal surface.
diane
Posted: 13 May 2014 - 07:31 PM
Dianne, I was referring to a comment in Sunday night chat about my harshness. I do remember all the details you discussed in your post. I thought you handled the situation very well, my finality was after spending hours trying to figure out ways to help her succeed and then got angry when I realized it was futile, no way did she want to change. I know I have to watch out for reacting the same way when I hear similar stories now, not even knowing if current situation is different, just hear the same excuses and jump to conclusion. Ok about my day. I did get all weeds sprayed, bugs sprayed, a few bugs relocated. I lounged on deck and had some ice water and peanuts. One slipped over to the left side of my mouth. I had a tooth pulled there last year. The dentist either pulled the wrong tooth or broke the tooth in front of pulled tooth while yanking. I have not been able to eat since then without pain. I have lived on smoothies and soup basically. I did get a second opinion, that dentist said 2nd tooth must be pulled. Today with extreme pain I am motivated to write to first dentist and ask him to look at before and after xray and see if he pulled wrong tooth or broke 2nd tooth. I want to write just the facts and not appear harsh, and ask for a refund in either case. then will go to 2nd dentist to have second tooth pulled. I feel bad asking him to take time to look at my problem. Being reminded of my harshness 5 months ago, really was bad timing, but a good reminder to tone down my comments.
Dianne
Posted: 13 May 2014 - 06:39 PM
Hey Diane, I felt like I needed to address a couple of your comments. You mentioned Dave and I helping others then disappearing. I was only gone 2 1/2 weeks and gave a heads up in the Quick Check-In thread that I was going thru stuff I didn't want to talk about. My posts before then had gone from daily to once every 2 or 3 days but that was maybe a week? I didn't mean to worry anyone. You're right in saying perhaps it is easier to focus on helping others rather than work on our own problems. I can see that in myself and recognize that when I do it, it's a signal to look at what I would be avoiding. As far as Dave, or anyone disappearing, I just figure real life has intervened. I do worry and I pray that they will be well and maybe drop back in for an update but it's out of our control. When I first came here Tillie had been missing several weeks. MayMay started a post asking where she was. Corey got back to us and said no worries, Tillie was just taking a break. We all need one sometimes. Mine was family related.
The situation in December was a difficult one. Was it me who said the comments were harsh? I do remember feeling so badly for the person. But that's my own problem with taking on other people's feeling and imagining how I would feel. Because she wanted to leave and asked Tillie what *hard times* were, I did feel compelled to reach out to her. I knew the background and that it was probably futile but it broke my heart. I don't have a problem with shock value comments to wake someone up; that has its place. I did write to her that I would have been crushed like a worm if anyone told me the truth I needed to hear, which I hope had the intended message of saying, yes she did need to hear what was said. And also that if she was getting the same advice over and over there was a pretty good bet it was good advice to take. I offered to continue a conversation with her, helping her when my time could have been better used on my own hoard. Those situations tend to work themselves out though, and she eventually disappeared.
What was hard for me was that you wrote you knew you sounded mean, you were tired of her excuses, you wished her well and wanted no further discussion with her ever. There was such a finality to that. You had your say and the door was closed. Again it's my over-relating but I cried for both of you. You had been having difficulties and I wanted to hold you in a hug. I knew your frustration because I had simply stopped responding to her posts because of my frustration. But the pain she expressed in truly not understanding why you were so upset killed me. It reminded me of my developmentally disabled daughter. All I wanted to do was fix things for both of you.
I'm so sorry if my responses during that time hurt you in any way. They must have if it's something that came to your mind 5 months later. You have been such an inspiration to me and have worked so very hard to carve out some peace in your life. You feel like the *can do* sister I want to emulate. Please forgive me.
I need to learn that my experiences and desire to help others may not be at all what they need or want. I project, I become co-dependent and that can lead to avoidance behaviors in my life. I still have much work to do on boundaries.
I'm grateful for lessons still being learned, for friends who speak truthfully and for knowing there is always a possibility for conflict resolution when people put forth honest effort.
Tillie
Posted: 13 May 2014 - 11:45 AM
I run a spider relocation program in my home. When I find a spider I use a clear/see through glass and a stiff piece of paper. Placing the glass over the said spider I then slip the paper gently under the rim of the glass capturing the spider inside the glass. Holding the paper in place I then turn the glass upright and carry it to the door where I return the spider to the wild while singing "Born Free" to it.
Dianne, I am so glad you are back. I really miss Dave, too, and hope he comes back.
Speaking of posters, I found two old Kliban posters on eBay and bought both. They need to be framed but I am sure I can pick up poster frames at Michaels fairly cheap. My favorite Kliban is the one with the lipstick kiss on the cat that says "Love a Cat" and that is one I got. The other is "Mom Cat." I'll hang them in my kitchen.
It is yet another rainy day. I am hurting from how I slept, I think. Woke up very late. I have been using a black sleep mask for about four days now and I do sleep better using it to block light. Who knew? :)
I got more gifts from my son from my wish list: Sun Tzu's The Art of War, the movie Lincoln, Feline Nutrition book, and a book Insubordinate Spirit (a true story of life and loss in earliest America 1610-1665). I love getting these surprises! I think my diverse interests reassure my son I'm not totally dottie. And he likes being able to look at my wish list and fulfill wishes with ease. :O
He is stationed at Bagram but was on R&R when the violence hit there the other day. He is non-combat and there to help people, not to kill.
Went and got med and groceries yesterday after I did a load of laundry. Emptied out the car. My living room and kitchen are a mess, so I have to kick my bottom into gear.
I go Thursday to the hospital for lung function tests.
I have a dead tree out front but a new bush has taken over. It has tiny white flowers that smell good on it. I'm not sure what it is. Also growing onto that is jasmine vines. Smells wonderful out there.
A big spider in my kitchen sink. At first I thought it was a black widow, but I got a flashlight and it is more brown on lower half of body and more gray on upper half, about 1.5 " leg span, no red marks. Not sure what it is or how to deal with it. I don't want to kill it. I appreciate spiders for their keeping other bug populations at bay.
If you get a chance and are interested, go to youtube and look for videos by megabattie. She's Australian and does bat rescue. So interesting and they are so cute. Our American bats are dieing off due to the chemicals we use in food growing. Will we never learn?
Dianne, yes dave and you were people I was referring to who spent lots of time helping others with thoughtful comments, then disappeared. It is just too much to comment on everyones posts when we have so much to do ourselves. Perhaps that part of us finds it easier to focus on others and try to help them than deal with the difficult job of making our own life better since it is so unfamiliar to us. This morning I tied up the raspberries, pulled more grass and flowers that take over, did same last night. Realized I don't have to transplant or give these things to others, just dump them, this is a first, I was ruthless. Wicked and it felt good. Drew up how I want upper yard to be, would like to bring rose and burning bush and one other small cute shrub up to upper yard to complete the circle, and one colorful plant from garden to edge. Not that much to do, have to get some good soil too. Decided to let 2 long areas of vines go this year and just keep the third. I had recently planted wild flower seed at the edge of my property, we are talking yards of flowerseed to water, that will no longer be watered, I just have too much to care for, and my decision was clear after chat and drawing up plan and looking honestly at upper yard and lower yard, it is a hoarders dream, too much of everything. Plan to remove some bunch grass from middle upper yard, may or may not survive at edge of upper, I do not care now, just want more garden area. My raspberries are what I love so excess clutter has to make room for my berries. When I tied them up this morning, saw some are blooming already, so happy. tied lilac bush branches over toward my spot so can smell them better. Today plan to pound t-post into ground at end of wood pile fence so can stack more wood closer to where I bring it in to use. Finish removing grass from raised area for flowers, upper yard. ant spray under rocks upper yard, just discovered them and on an ant pile in back yard. hang all sleeveless tshirts and dresses for summer I found in bottom of closet, very cute stuff Try to talk myself into getting rid of clothes in closet that I rarely wear so there is room for cute stuff that was missing in action for 3 years, then won't have to dress like a homeless person and todays big job is to spray weeds in back yard, driveway and back upper area, we are talking alot of weed spraying, no wind yet and almost warm enough so plan to do that soon before wind picks up. Then shower and wash my hair, hooray, wash all that dirt and weed spray off, and maybe even curl my hair, to get ready for my handsome dog that will arrive tomorrow. I have alot to do today plus need to cook some good food, helps to have clean living area to refresh in!! So happy I am willing to do what it takes to change shameful ways. Oh, went to do dishes last night, was repelled, then said remember, once you start it will be ok, against all my instincts started doing dishes and it was ok, almost enjoyable, knowing I am actually learning new behaviors, thanks so much for the support I get on here. Lr loved your story about soccer ball, helped so much when I was tossing grass and plants last night, saying probably nobody would want this soccer ball anyway
Dianne
Posted: 13 May 2014 - 10:42 AM
My first to-do today was to get a wiper blade repaired. In the last snow we had which was wet and heavy I was in a rush and too lazy to scrape the windshield. I tried to force the wipers to clear it and ended up stripping the gears on the driver's side. Another expensive lesson.
Other things for today ~
go to dump therapist appt daily maintenance bury a little animal
p.s. I was reading some old posts and came across Dave advice. I really miss him.
LR2014
Posted: 13 May 2014 - 07:30 AM
Good morning, everyone!
Here are some of my goals for today: Work at least 15 minutes in my BIT book, add to my gratitude list, spend a minimum of 20 minutes on paperwork, pick up some groceries, get some needed photocopies made, and work on my written-out plans for the week. I usually would have done that already (the written-out plans), but I spent so much time on my outside work yesterday that I didn't even start on it. I expect to be at the chat tonight if possible.
Happy cleaning and decluttering, enjoying life, and whatever else your plans for today include. Hugs.
Dianne
Posted: 12 May 2014 - 11:54 PM
It's about 12:30 a.m. here. I just got back from the beach. Went for the day, 6 hours in the car but I love driving. Gives me so much time to think and plan.
I thought I could get much more done than I did. Like always. It probably takes 3x longer than what it would have a few years ago. Everything is pretty well cleaned for renters. I need to go back and finish the kitchen.
While I was there I visited some friends who own a framing shop. I finally found a poster I had been looking for on ebay. It was printed in 1961 in Italy with pictures of lots of dog breeds. The kind of chart you'd see hanging in a vet's office. The guys had some wonderful ideas for framing and it felt like I had found a piece of my life in that old chart when things were much simpler.
They showed me pictures of their flower gardens from last year and we talked about how they attract hummingbirds, finches, etc. They had a beautiful deck and fish pond. It was so lovely and peaceful looking and got me inspired to make my own beautiful spaces around here again.
Instead of being wiped out I feel like I got a good amount done today, even though I didn't finish, and I feel refreshed and excited about getting more cleaning done here.
LR2014
Posted: 12 May 2014 - 08:28 PM
Well, my day did not go as expected/planned. The weather was so windy and otherwise non-agreeable by the time I was ready to start my original outdoor plan that I decided it would have to wait for another day. I hadn't used that insect treatment before, and I wasn't too sure I could use it safely with such strong winds. Sometimes, even though plans don't go as planned, maybe they are actually working out just the way they are "supposed to." As a result of the change in schedule, I just happened to run into some old family friends at a store, friends that I probably wouldn't have run into had things gone as I'd originally planned.
I did get my laundry dried (yes, Tillie, there was an empty dryer just for me), got some other outdoor work done at that rural area I mention so much, met a neighbor I hadn't met before, and bought some TSP to use for a project later in the week. Before this evening is over, I plan to finish folding and putting away the laundry I dried earlier.
You all were ever-present with me as I did that outdoor work today. For the sake of speed and time (wanted to get my outdoor work done and then get back indoors before storms hit), I was tempted to drive on out to my work spot without taking a good drink supply with me. But no! I heard your voices from last night . . . "stay well-hydrated, LR." So I stopped off and bought a big sports drink to take with me. (Thanks for that.)
Diane, I like that idea of "practicing having fun." FYI, I decided I didn't need to set up a reward for the outdoor work I did today (since I changed the location of it). I enjoy the work at that particular place so much that for me, it brings with it a built-in reward. It's great to be able to work and have fun at the same time! (Whew, am I tired, though! But it's a good kind of tired.)
Have a good evening, everyone.
Tillie
Posted: 12 May 2014 - 08:19 PM
Hi Diane :) Loved reading your post, so much truth and honesty expressed. (((hugs)))
Played hookey today. The kitchen is a big mess, the bathroom needs cleaning, floors need sweeping/vacuuming. Cats have been taken care of. Just too tired so figured I better listen to my body and rest. Beautiful day though, a good day for just enjoying :)
diane
Posted: 12 May 2014 - 12:57 PM
Good morning. Roxie chat is 15 minutes per person to focus on their issues, so the timed sessions help keep us focused on just that person, not our stuff or what we did in past, unless it is meant to help that person. I was so happy to read the posts that said it is ok to just say what we are thinking about unless we really want to reply to something someone else has said in a post. Example: Dianne I think it is wonderful you have the money and willingness to hire help, and thank you for the kindness you have extended to me. I still fear hiring someone and having them judge me for clutter, how my previous repairs suck, how difficult it is to repair this old place because it is so old. I will get there, I know, just good to read your willingness to trust others. So this morning I went out to my coffee spot,, trying to figure out how to simplify yard work. I saw lots of dead stuff in bush by my spot. Last year I cut, cleared 20 years of dead stuff out and got rid of all the spiders so I could sit there without getting bit It took over an hour but got it all cleared out, do not want to have spiders again. Coffee got branches and dirt in it, so came in to make fresh coffee, I make one cup drip each morning. Thought what the heck, check the board. Thought about the comment about me making harsh comments. I do make them to myself and others when I see self defeating behaviors and excuses. Kindness is more acceptable, but there is something about the shock value of blurting things out that makes me think, it has its purpose to make us look at what we are doing to hold us in the old behaviors. LR said she is staying out of other peoples business, and that is something that is important for me to learn. I do not have to endorse others excuses, nor do I need to wake them up. I think part of it is I have seen people on here that want to stay just the way they are, then after we invest time and energy in their recovery, they just leave. Others spend lots of time helping others, we learn to love them, then they leave. So I think it is a balancing act to not look for sympathy, state the facts, learn from others and take actions to improve our life. So today I am working on the fun of life. When I was trimming, it was work, I reminded myself to find fun in everything as tillie said. I then was grateful that I have the time to do the trimming, grateful there are no spiders in bush this year, loved the fact lilacs are next bush over. When it was fun, noticed that this bush is about to bloom, it has white flowers that bloom after lilacs are done. Noticed I was tired, came in sat down, read past two days on board, that was fun. It is sunny and a good day to practice having fun. It might be a 2 smoothie day, since will be warm. Dog will be here Wednesday, hooray, so will clean up the area of yard that has all the comforts a dog could want. Do the few dishes that are dirty. Take at least 1/2 hour to visualize and draw how my ideal upper yard will be, and lounge on lounger while I drink a smoothie and focus on how blessed I am to have this group. Thanks to all
Tillie
Posted: 12 May 2014 - 10:49 AM
Good morning :)
Hi Roxie :) Sorry I missed you last night. We tend to be an outspoken chat group and would have no problem asking you to slow down a bit. Please come to chat and share your wisdom with us. :)
Hi LR2014 :) Rewards are important to help keep us motivated and not fall into a slump or depression, you know, all work & no play type mood. Hope the laundromat is empty and all the machines are available for you. :D
About hiring help... Most times hiring someone to do work for us is money very well spent. Just because we could do the work ourselves does not mean that we should. Hiring help to declutter, clean, organize, bi monthly maid service, garden/yard work, home repairs, you name it is well worth it because it frees up our time to do other things and does not harm our bodies from trying to do too much ourselves. Also, we are not all experts in everything and sometimes professional help is what's needed to get the job done correctly. Also, asking friends or family for help can be good too, depends on the relationship. When we hire help we are paying ourselves with time and freedom and less wear & tear on our bodies.
My plans for today are simple.... a general tidy up and animal care need to clean the kitchen since I took yesterday off :P The weather forecast is for a lovely warm day and I think I will get out & enjoy it.
Have a great Monday everybody. :)
LR2014
Posted: 12 May 2014 - 09:42 AM
Good morning, everyone. Sorry I missed you at the chat last night, Roxie!
I did my goals yesterday except for the laundry. I figured the Laundromat would be packed yesterday, so I decided to wait until today for that task.
My morning goals are what I mentioned last night at chat: to go do some outdoor bug treatment before heavy rains hit. Diane, you have reminded me that I should think in terms of rewarding myself when I get outdoor work done. Funny that I do think to reward myself (and it really helps) for indoor stuff, but for some reason my brain hasn't thought to do the same for my outdoor goals. Thanks!
Hugs!
Roxie
Posted: 12 May 2014 - 09:30 AM
Well, I finally remembered it was group night, only too late. I showed up and a few were there still to chat. At least I know how to get there now.
In the past I was frequently in chatrooms. I learned that normally I am so fast a typist that I tend to dominate a chatroom. It is awkward and does not win hearts. So I probably still won't go to group. Just glad I know how to get there, even if I don't know when.
Another rainy day. Where's my roap?
LR2014
Posted: 11 May 2014 - 03:05 PM
Hi to all. My plans for the rest of today are light. I've done a load of laundry that I plan to dry and put away. I plan to get at least a 20 or 30 minute walk (maybe I can walk while clothes are drying at the Laundromat), to eat a decent and early supper, and likely to be at the chat. The challenge will be to get myself to sign off early enough to get to bed at a decent time, since you guys are so much fun to chat with! Hugs.
Tillie
Posted: 11 May 2014 - 10:49 AM
Good morning :)
So nice to read all your postings as I drink my tea. :) I have no plans for today. Will do the usual daily maintenance and perhaps a wash load or two of laundry. The wind has been raging here day after day, night after night and it really makes me tired and messes up my brain. This morning is bitterly cold but the wind is not blowing, yet. Still need to do the Spring cleaning and window washing and my garden really needs a lot of thinning out & weeding and there is a lot of pruning & trimming to do. But I am exhausted and having a lot of arthritis pain. Oh well... I will do what I can, when I can and that will have to be good enough. :)
Wishing you all a great day and some happiness to all you mothers out there too. "See" you all later in the Sunday night online support group. :)
Dianne
Posted: 11 May 2014 - 09:12 AM
LR, thanks for the perspective on hiring help. Sometimes I feel so guilty about that. Your logic about the time and expense, not just in terms of money but in energy expended and recovery time, makes so much sense.
Friday my goals were too high. But I finished them yesterday. Today will be some laundry and more work in the garage. Keeping it simple.
Happy Mother's Day everyone!
Roxie
Posted: 11 May 2014 - 07:22 AM
Good morning. Can you smell my coffee brewing? :)
I loaded the dishwasher and ran the load. I wiped a countertop, more to go. I relocated my paper shredder to under the desk and shredded a pile of papers.
Emptied desk garbage and kitchen garbage and put in fresh bags. I tend to let them get to overflowing, which I am sure is why my cleaner crew suggested daily emptying. Do I listen? No, but I'm better at it now.
Third day in a row of rain. Downer time. If I get energy later I'll grocery shop. Need to bring cat supplies from car into the house. Rounded up dirty clothes into basket but that's as far as I got.
Hugs
LR2014
Posted: 10 May 2014 - 10:43 PM
Hi to all. Hope you have all had a good Saturday. I did do my goals for yesterday. I on purpose didn't set any specific cleaning/decluttering goals for today, because I planned to be out of town most of the day. (Went to visit a beloved older relative.) I did manage to run the dishwasher before I left.
Sorry, Tillie, that you wrote all that on Thursday and that it "disappeared." That would be so frustrating! I know you were sending loving thoughts our way, even if those thoughts didn't get specifically printed out!
Karl: Hope the game demos go/went well. Your comment about things looking more cluttered than the "before" picture reminded me of something: I think that the BIT book specifically points out that sometimes things will in fact look worse before they look better as we are working on our stuff. In your case, it sounds like you weren't expecting it to look "worse" for long. Regardless, I think it's something important to keep in mind as we work on our organizing and decluttering efforts. I think that we're less likely to get discouraged if we realize that that temporary "worse" state is often just part of the improvement process.
Dianne: I like that idea of having an area carved out, "even if it's only in my brain," to breathe quietly. Helpful image. Also, you bring up an interesting question of when to try to do something myself and when to ask for or hire help. One of my problems in getting certain things done sometimes is thinking I have to do it all myself. There are times I like to do something myself just for the satisfaction of finding out I can do it. Sometimes I do it myself because I'm too afraid or shy or whatever to ask someone to help me. There are a lot of times when it just makes sense to pay someone else, if I can afford it. Take yard work the other day. I had a big yard that needed to be dealt with. To mow and weed eat and do the cleanup would have taken me all day, and I would have probably been covered with mosquito and chigger bites that would have interrupted my concentration for a good two weeks (because of all the itching). On the other hand, the lawn guys I paid to do it have equipment ready to go. They can get in and out, get it done, and move on to the next customer in less time than it would have taken me to get more gas picked up for my lawnmower! I would have been so exhausted doing it all myself that I would have gotten little else done. Sometimes, it just pays to pay someone else.
Roxie: I'm glad to know I'm not the only one who has problems with those plastic gas can spouts!
Vi: Wow! You really sound like you're getting a lot done! Looking forward to hearing how things go with the 8 year old.
Diane: I love your posts! As for replying to everyone's posts . . . while I have been, for the most part, trying to do that, I am realizing that as much as I want to keep doing it, it's going to be pretty impossible for me to keep that up. One of the biggest reasons is also one of the best reasons: our numbers keep growing! I would eventually be spending all my day replying to posts instead of getting my organizing/cleaning/decluttering/living-life done.