| Tillie | Posted: 19 May 2014 - 09:54 AM |
Lets see if a new thread will help solve some of the posting issues we have developed in the first, long running thread 😀 | |
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| Dianne | Posted: 22 January 2015 - 08:45 PM |
Ahh no Tat. I find it extremely hard to say nice things about myself. So much easier to see the good in others! But I'm trying to learn to say, hey Dianne, great job. So keep your prayers coming they are always very much appreciated here!! Your story of stepping in to give directions is mine too! I've even gone so far as to say, "I don't pay attention to road names (being rural) only landmarks so follow me and I'll get you there." I rescue animals, people, books, old beloved toys, things that others have kept as treasures in their memories. I'm quite sure it's because I have always felt the very desperate need to be rescued myself. I know the horrible fear of feeling totally incapable of taking care of myself in abandonment. My lack of healthy boundaries makes me project my fears/needs onto another (whether they feel it or not) and I feel I must spare them those awful feelings. It takes many mistakes and some time to accept we are not the world's saviors. 🙂 Great job on the purse and wallet switch-out! I am a bag lady and appreciate a beautifully organized handbag. 😀 | |
| Dianne | Posted: 22 January 2015 - 08:24 PM |
Jessica, as hoarders we isolate ourselves. And that can feel good. It feels safe. It can also feel lonely and odd. Sharing is HUGE progress!! I can't tell you how much I've learned about myself by posting here. There are times I've felt utterly stupid and weird. I ramble and I get overinvolved and I learn. I also get to understand others' reasoning and behaviors. Sometimes I get hurt and pull back into my turtle shell. And then I come out again and keep that turtle crawl going. What an amazing journey!! So happy to have you on it as well! 🙂 | |
| Tatoulia | Posted: 22 January 2015 - 07:54 PM |
Dianne, thank you for saying such lovely things about me. I take them to heart and can only pray that you say as many nice things about yourself. Tillie, I thank you for your encouragement. Easily got another bag of things together today--cardigans that have seen a better day. welcome Jessica--glad to see you posting!!! I would buy multiples of things on sale--not paper towels or other stuff that will be used--but Christmas stuff or Easter stuff or books or pots or this thing or that thing. This way, I could have at least one for me and be the hero and give away to someone. BTW Dianne, you have a fantastic memory. I say to myself all the time, like a mantra, I am not a warehouse. It feels great. And I note that my need to rescue the world is spilling over to other areas of my life. Before, if I saw someone who was getting directions, I would step in and add my two cents. If I saw someone who needed directions and I didn't know where it was, I would find someone to tell them. How obnoxious. If they already have someone helping them, who elected me mayor to step in and contribute? And isn't it okay to say "I don't know" once in a while? I still need to rescue people and help out and my generous spirit is intact, I just no longer have this crazy notion that the world is looking to me to have an extra Phillips head screwdriver on hand. Tonight I am switching out purses to the new one that Santa (aka my sweetheart) brought me and I'm swapping out wallet too. Old wallet can be thrown out; old purse will be emptied completely, put in a fabric bag, and placed on shelf in bedroom. Old purse was a gift ftom BF probably 8 years ago and I've used it on and off for 8 years. I never fail to get a compliment on it. Missing you all and sending you my love. Don't sell yourself short, Jessica. We need you here! | |
| Jessica K. | Posted: 22 January 2015 - 03:33 PM |
Dianne - Thanks for the kind and understanding encouragement ! I know there are millions(?) of "us" in varying degrees of "mess and distress". Yet, I feel quite isolated. Again - I am mystified at my OWN habits and behavior. Sharing IS progress. | |
| Dianne | Posted: 22 January 2015 - 12:38 PM |
Tillie, I absolutely agree with your assessment of your hoarder. I used the same justifications for my things. When I offered some stuff that would be politely rejected it brought up uncomfortable feelings. I felt personally rejected (over connection with my stuff) and miffed that they didn't appreciate my *generosity*. It kind of furthered my thinking that perhaps I should just keep all these wonderful things for myself since no one else appreciates them anyway. Whenever I look at extras now I think Tat's thought ~ my home is not a warehouse. If someone by some odd chance would ask me if I have a whatever that they could borrow or have I can say not any more. | |
| Dianne | Posted: 22 January 2015 - 12:25 PM |
Hi Jessica, welcome! Believe me there is still plenty of fear and anxiety here. I struggle with that daily. No matter what stage of hoarding you find yourself there are always valuable contributions to a post. Perhaps you say something as a beginner in this process that awakens something in another reader not posting and they feel understood. Or one of us has been backsliding and your post will have some inspiration to get us back on track. Our ships aren't always floating as well as it might look. We'll help you pull up your Titanic while you help us bail the continuing leaks in ours. 🙂 | |
| Jessica K. | Posted: 22 January 2015 - 12:08 PM |
I've only recently started "eavesdropping" on these chats. It has been comforting. Fear/Anxiety have stopped me from contributing ... much the way they've stopped me from actually making progress with my own SERIOUS situation. I don't understand why. You all seem relatively evolved in your progress. I feel like I'm trying to bail out a ship that sank a long time ago (Titanic !) | |
| Tillie | Posted: 22 January 2015 - 11:21 AM |
Mr. Hoarder, the hoarder I live with, justifies acquiring and keeping a LOT of stuff by saying Whenever he has tried to give something to someone they don't want or need it. I think the "keeping it for others" is just an excuse for keeping it all for himself. | |
| Dianne | Posted: 22 January 2015 - 09:54 AM |
Tat, you said something that was an eye opener for me, just the way you worded it ~ I am not a warehouse to store things for others. Really gave me a new perspective as I had stored huge amounts of stuff for my married daughter because she likes to keep her home with only what they use/need. She has no problem at all culling and donating. Little by little I am taking things that belong to her to her home and say I'm clearing some things and wanted you to make the decisions on these. I never ask what happens after that, it's hers. Level work is the best if there are no time constraints or other pressing issues. For those without severe hoarding issues (like actually saving trash or rotting food not just avoiding it) the first level allows us to clear things that don't need a lot of decision making. It can still be very hard but it probably doesn't involve the agonizing that comes with the later levels. But by the time we get to the later levels, as you said Tat, you feel good and strong. You've seen that you can make excellent decisions, the anxiety does lessen and as your home opens up you can appreciate what you accomplished and feel very successful. Those feelings can crush the need to hoard! Level work does involve some redundancy in handling items more than once. But for a hoarder, trying to make decisions on one item at a time can be destructively overwhelming as we can see on any Hoarder show. Overall, when someone is dehoarding on his/her own and can make use of support like we have here, I think level clearing is an excellent choice. Empty space can feel freeing and give clarity especially to one who has been literally surrounded by stuff. Depending on the size of the dwelling it can also feel frighteningly open, untethered and cold. For a hoarder to find a good balance in their comfort level probably involves more head work than just *getting rid of*. When I first had my upper front hallway completely cleared I was a bit afraid I would fall over the railing into the foyer although there was a ridiculous amount of space and had no need to be even near the railing. Having it hoarded made it much more likely I would trip and fall. My backwards thinking made no rational sense but I felt *safer* with some furniture there and added a few pieces. Above one fireplace I had a large painting and on the mantel, at either end, two statues complimenting the painting. There was plenty of open space along the mantel under the picture so I filled it with lots of small sculptures of many dog breeds and a centerpiece of St. Francis. The overall effect was much too crowded and took away from each piece on display. As my hoarder eyes were clearing I could remove 90% of the grouping and see how the empty space gave correct focus to the three pieces that were left. Tat, your approach, on your own, with help from people here and with help in the real world has been a model of success! I mentioned before and repeat again, I really, really hope you stick around to offer your excellent, hard-earned advice. Your compassion and support are also invaluable. Fighting our hoarding tendencies will probably be life-long. It is so uplifting to know someone who is getting on top of it! Excellent work on the jammie donation bag!! (how funny ~~ my code to put in has PJ in it haha) | |
| Tillie | Posted: 21 January 2015 - 10:05 PM |
YEA!!!! 😀 | |
| Tatoulia | Posted: 21 January 2015 - 09:34 PM |
Bag of jammies already in the car, destined for Goodwill! Washed them so they are fresh. | |
| Tatoulia | Posted: 21 January 2015 - 11:38 AM |
I learned, over the summer, that I keep and buy stuff in case someone needs it and I must tell you I am forever cured of that. I will work on clothes with everyone's tips in mind. Tillie, it's funny that you mentioned empty spaces because now I like having shelf room and empty spots. It makes my home feel less crowded. I will work on closet including making decisions on next level of shoes and purses. You know, I found the first level of dehoarding hard, and saved stuff so I could decide on second level, yet I'm not afraid and not anxious. I feel good and strong. Thanks to everyone here. | |
| Tillie | Posted: 21 January 2015 - 10:59 AM |
The main rule when decluttering, minimizing and organizing possessions is Everything must meet certain criteria if it is to be kept. Try not to keep things just "because"... It is a very personal decision as to what we decide to keep. | |
| lue | Posted: 21 January 2015 - 10:49 AM |
Congratulations on your new place LR! I don't know how u did it but way to go. your my hero. | |
| Dianne | Posted: 21 January 2015 - 10:49 AM |
LR, this is the very best news!! 😀 A fresh, new start!!! You deserve it after all your very hard work!! {{{BIG HUGS}}} | |
| Dianne | Posted: 21 January 2015 - 10:42 AM |
Haha Tat, we just cross-posted. Of course no offense! I would be honored to be confused with Mel! But maybe not so much for poor Mel to be confused with me. 😉 What a lovely way to compliment people in explaining a mix-up with your sweetheart's name! One of our family stories is about the times we would stay at my great-gramma's place on the Chesapeake Bay. The kids would be crabbing and we would just toss the crabs on the ground and the littlest ones would pick them up and put them in pails. Only the male crabs that were 10 inches point to point and never, ever a female or her baby. Crabs were very abundant back in those days. So one day my dad is on the bulkhead, netting and tossing and he turns around and yells, "M..., no Rob..., no T...,!!! By the time he got the right name out my littlest bro had a big old mad crabby hanging off his toe as he hopped around screaming! Haha! | |
| Dianne | Posted: 21 January 2015 - 10:26 AM |
Hey Tat, that was me asking you about the clothes. 🙂 Whatever makes you feel good you should keep. You're smart enough to be able to make distinctions about eh and good. If your style tends towards the dressier side then the first things to go are the most casual. Keep one outfit for *dirty work*, meaning it wouldn't matter for those clothes to get ruined and then tossed. That level of clothes is always easily and inexpensively replaced. I used to be a big pj person ~ those silky gowns felt so good in hot weather and there really is nothing like a big, fluffy bathrobe or cozy pj's in the winter! It's a lovely way to pamper ourselves. So definitely keep a few. If they fit the space you designate. WTG getting a bag together for donation since you just shopped a bit last night. I had the same issue with weight fluctuation. It's very hard to spend decent money on some good pieces and then not be able to wear them. A general rule of thumb for that is if the weight difference is 5 - 10 lbs and you're confident that can be knocked off quickly keep them. If the weight difference is more or you bought the item because it was gorgeous and you planned to fit into it at a later date you might let that go. There was one big consideration for me in donating my best clothes. When I did dress well it was classic, no trendy stuff. There are places in city areas that help poor women *dress for success*. Women who have serious struggles and are trying, through women's groups training, to get good jobs. They can also use good purses, shoes and nice costume jewelry. My psychiatrist does pro bono work for women escaping abusive situations and when she explained to me how much these good clothes help with the woman's self-esteem and confidence it was a no-brainer to donate ~ a lot. Even things with tags still on. If there is a particular piece that you love then keep that one. I like keeping in mind what Mrs. Dave says ~ it's nice to share. Even when going grocery shopping yesterday I was tempted to buy all the strawberry and blueberry chobani yogurts since there weren't many left. Then I thought of that simple phrase and put some back. Since it's easier for you to pare down clothes, keep at that. Just getting those discerning muscles in even better shape will help you pare down other areas later. Really great work Tat!! | |
| Tatoulia | Posted: 21 January 2015 - 10:08 AM |
Dianne, I think I confused you and Mel last night. Sorry, luckily you are both fantastic people giving fantastic advice so sure no one is insulted! Whenever I mistakenly call someone by my sweetheart's name, I always say, there is no bigger compliment! I value you both so much. | |
| Tillie | Posted: 21 January 2015 - 10:03 AM |
WTG! LR2014 😀 Wishing you a wonderful new beginning full of peace and joy. (((hugs))) | |
| Tatoulia | Posted: 21 January 2015 - 08:13 AM |
LR, I am so proud of you! Congratulations! Wow you really got that done! So happy!! | |
| LR2014 | Posted: 21 January 2015 - 06:28 AM |
I wish to announce that on Sunday afternoon, I officially turned in the keys to my ever-flooding, often extremely noisy apartment. Most of my "stuff" for now is in a 10x10 storage place, and I am temporarily staying in a nice little home with some old friends for a couple of months. (They have a very nice, neat, clean home and they are wonderful friends and wonderful to live with.) I have my own comfy bed to sleep on in a comfy guest bedroom. The new place is about an hour's drive from my old place. More later. Whoo-hoo! Hugs to all. Couldn't have done it without ya. | |
| Tatoulia | Posted: 20 January 2015 - 08:35 PM |
Hello everyone! Nice to see you Bitsy. I hope you are surviving the winter okay. This time of year I think of my mother, who when we were children, would privately pray for February 1st, because she knew it would be light out til five. I find I do the same now. Mel, thank you for your sweet post. I wear a lot of dresses and suits, even though my office is "business casual," which unfortunately must people take as casual. I dress up must days and feel good about it. I rarely participate in our jeans Fridays, but every so often I surprise them all. I work from home a day or two a week, which is nice. I don't have a ton if clothes but I know if I were realistic, I'd be able to get rid of more things that I don't wear. Some of my issues concern weight gain. I tend to buy a few good pieces of clothing and then when I can't fit into them, I'm not ready to say goodbye. So I think I could get rid of stuff if I followed the tips and really figured out what is realistic and what isn't. One area, believe it or not, where I have an abundance of clothes is in the PJ, nightgown, slipper, bathrobe area. I try to stay out of those areas of stores but even last night I bought more PJs at Lord and Taylor. But I promised I'd get rid of some and I am getting a bag together. I'm general, I just feel like I have too much stuff, so I appreciate all the tips on where to start. I will start on clothes closet. Might as well. Much easier for me to pare down on clothes than other things. Tillie, always great to read about your day. My cat eats my sheer curtains. | |
| Tillie | Posted: 20 January 2015 - 07:19 PM |
Hi 🙂 Spent the day being sorta lazy. 🙂 If that "spam" post is bothering people we can ask for it to be removed. | |
| bitsy | Posted: 20 January 2015 - 04:42 PM |
WAY TO GO MEL! should somebody email Cory? | |
| Mel99 | Posted: 20 January 2015 - 03:20 PM |
Will doctor "o" come to our houses and send us on an all expenses paid vacation while he cleans our houses and pays our bills? If not, not interested. 😉 | |
| Tillie | Posted: 20 January 2015 - 12:25 PM |
OH for crying out loud! 🙁 | |
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| Dianne | Posted: 20 January 2015 - 09:36 AM |
Hey Tat, sounds like Sunday was a good day of rest for you and you still got a lot done late at night at your mom's. Good work shredding, sweeping and vacuuming at your place yesterday too! You've made so much progress overall. What, for you, would be the next level? What is your ultimate goal for reducing possessions? Are you able to have regular routines for maintenance that fit well with your other obligations? As far as further reducing you could consider eliminating whole types of clothes. I no longer have any pj's or robes. I use my larger t-shirts to sleep in. For very cold weather I just add an extra blanket and maybe a pair of fluffy socks. I only have panties, bras and some socks. No more slips, shaping undergarments or nylons/tights. No slippers. No more office clothes or Sunday best because I don't need them. No dresses. For most occasions very nice pants will do. I keep a few more formal outfits for a funeral or a meeting with an attorney, etc. That might be too extreme for most people but for my lifestyle it works. I still have way too much of what I do have. And you may be too young to eliminate whole groups. I know I'm never going to hold a job again where I have to wear nice clothes. I put dating aside awhile ago so I don't need to have especially nice things. You said you have empty shelf and closet space. Maybe once you do some reorganizing you'll find that everything you have fits nicely. You may not have to pare down. Or you could decide that you like empty space because or the sense of freedom and clarity it gives you. Ultimately the levels you work thru will be determined by the space you have and the life you are living. Much of my extra stuff was about the life I used to live or the life I planned to live. When we can get those memories and dreams sorted out in our heads it becomes easier to make the decisions about what goes and what stays. What do you think you need to get rid of still? | |
| Tatoulia | Posted: 19 January 2015 - 08:15 PM |
Very good suggestion, Tillie! I did exactly this with kitchen cabinets over the summer but hadn't considered for bedroom. I have a very good dresser and my entire closet was designed by California Closets so it's very roomy, including multiple shelves, six dresser drawers, different places to hang clothes. Maybe start easy with the six closet drawers. They are small and not used as well as they could be. Two alone hold nylons and tights. I think I could keep one drawer for nylons/tights and maybe move all the pjs and nightgowns into some of the others. This sounds so simple but honestly I didn't see it. THANK YOU! it's so nice to have you back. Giant hugs. | |
| Tillie | Posted: 19 January 2015 - 07:19 PM |
HI 🙂 Over did it today. But really, something's were getting on my nerves and I just had to deal with them. Tatoulia, so you want to get to the next level, Emptying a whole room is an awful lot to do at one time and I worry you may become overwhelmed, paralyzed and burned out. How to get organized... If there is too much of any one kind of any items... Layout of my two dressers... I don't have a closet space for hanging clothes & that's why I keep them all in the dressers. 🙂 My chest of drawers contains I have the items all put where it is easiest for me to get to them and use them and put them away afterward.
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