| Dianne | Posted: 20 April 2013 - 11:38 AM |
I had to walk away and decided to start a new topic. The cleaning is now getting to the hard stuff for me. Not just tossing obvious trash. Not just sorting and getting some things put away. Now I'm getting to the real deal ~ stuff that has been really damaged. I was going thru a pile in the upper hall. Laundry that I had tossed to do in no hurry. Well the cats have used it as a litter box. Really bugs me because we keep their boxes clean and bugs me even more that my sense of smell is obviously gone. I threw it into a garbage bag and took it to the laundry room. I started to go thru and pull off dried poop and shake out dust and fur. I did throw away 2 shower curtains that were over 30 years old. Other stuff is badly stained. Towels, shorts, t-shirts. This conversation started in my head. These things are so badly stained it will never come out. But you could try. But even with the hottest water and stain remover it won't. Do you really want to spend all that effort to get out stains and use up time you could be doing regular laundry? But it's good stuff. But do you really want to wear that against your skin even after you wash it? But I love these towels. If you loved them you would have taken care of them. But I can't replace those, they're part of a set and some of the others are clean in the linen closet. Some of these towels are Laura Ashley and they remind you of when Buffy was little and used them in her bathroom. You can't ever replace those. Well you just threw out the matching shower curtains. It was like I was outside myself and I was the person in one of the hoarding shows saying but I can still use that while the rational person holds up the disgusting thing and says throw it out. So I'm throwing 90% out. I'll try washing a pair of jeans and a t-shirt and one pair of socks that don't look too bad. The carpet runner underneath has pee smells and dried poop. When I lifted it the smell was beyond rank and the hardwood floor is ruined. Now I'm facing the mental things that I always try to push under. I'm an asshole, no wonder my husband left, how could I let this happen, I'm beyond irresponsible, I'm not a grown-up, I'm stupid, I have to hide, why the hell can't I take care of things, if the neighbors knew that the outside looks so nice but the inside is so gross I'd be like one of those people on tv..."oh she seemed so nice, we never thought that could happen here...". Two houses in the neighborhood are for sale, I saw the pics and they are gorgeous. So I think why the hell couldn't I have kept up my home? When I sell it will have to be as something to gut and remodel. I've blown the money that was supposed to come from the sale by destroying the house. Who does that except a total loser? Everybody was right about me growing up. I was different, didn't fit in, blah, blah, blah. Shit I hate myself and that is just one little area. Ok so that is my rant. It's gonna get ugly ladies. Every time I need a break from the really bad stuff I will post it here. I'm embarrassed, I'm disgusted, I'm pissed. But I'd rather be pissed than crying. Anger gives me energy. | |
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| Roxie | Posted: 16 August 2013 - 06:12 AM |
Tillie, I will remember you (if I'm still around) as this kind and stalwart lady who shared so much of her kindness and caring with others. I'd love to hear more stories of your life and early memories. Dianne, that was beautiful. Isn't it amazing how much we learn about our parents after they've passed? That was similar with my parents. You father sounds like he made a huge impact on the world! And be kind to yourself, first. You can be forgiven for past mistakes and unkindness, as that was what you had to give at the time. You are now more mellow and mature, and are often kind and understanding (and interesting!) here. Diane, you also be kind to yourself, missy! You work so very hard, and I think it is excellent how you are reaching out, going out, and widening your world after so much isolation. It is heartening for me to read about as I am still isolated. Mare, be happy for the amazing progress you have made in the short time you've been on these boards. It is wonderful to see. Karl, I stand in admiration of your sociability, and your willingness to reach out to others. I am sure you will be remembered for making a difference in peoples' lives. I just want to leave to world a little better for my having been in it. | |
| Mare | Posted: 15 August 2013 - 11:55 PM |
Thank you Tillie... so simple yet it says so very much. xoxoxo | |
| Tillie | Posted: 15 August 2013 - 10:19 PM |
This is how I want to be remembered. I Shall Not Pass This Way Again Through this toilsome world, alas, | |
| Mare | Posted: 15 August 2013 - 09:52 PM |
Thank you too diane, such heart-felt sharing of yourselves with us. It brought up a lot for me as well but I will save it until I have processed it a little better... we all have so much in common, I find that out here more and more. | |
| Barb | Posted: 15 August 2013 - 09:27 PM |
Beautiful post, Diane. | |
| Karl | Posted: 15 August 2013 - 06:33 PM |
When I'm gone, I want to be remembered as someone who made the world a better place for a lot of people. | |
| diane | Posted: 15 August 2013 - 06:32 PM |
Thanks so much Dianne for sharing from your heart. I still get caught up in the past regrets, and have to stop myself from torturing myself with verbal abuse. I did make a lot of mistakes and hurt too many people, including family. My dad was lots of fun, when he was around. He helped so many people, and left us to survive on our own most of the time it seemed. At his funeral the church was packed and heard all the great things he did to help others, still ached that he didn't find his family as important as others. So many feelings reading what you wrote. | |
| Mare | Posted: 15 August 2013 - 05:25 PM |
Gosh Dianne... amen and cheers... | |
| Dianne | Posted: 15 August 2013 - 04:08 PM |
Hey Roxie, I think as we get older (I'm 61) we begin to think more about the end of life. I have been frequently surprised by my understanding of what relatives before me went thru at a certain age or life experience as I get there. That leads to a lot of forgiveness, gentling of my personality, patience, letting go and appreciation. I guess that's the beginning of wisdom. I feel the same way as you about death any day. For myself I don't much care. There is a bittersweet feeling about things left behind or what we may have done differently. I'm not one of those people who say I have no regrets. It sounds all good and accepting of how we got to where we are today. But I'm not at all satisfied with the hurt and destruction I've caused along the way. And I'm not all that happy with where I am today. As my father and brother were dying (unrelated things) I had the same feelings as Janie mentioned in another post about her brother. *Recovering emotionally....the need to get affairs in order....live peacefully*. The months following my father's death were impressive. So many people came to honor him from around the world. Friendships that had been well maintained for decades. Even men whose lives had been shaped by my father when they were boys. Military higher-ups thanked my brothers and I for the honor we bestowed on them for allowing our father to be buried with full honors at Arlington National Cemetery; when we thought it was the other way around ~ the Caisson Platoon, the caparisoned horse (riderless horse following), escort platoon, military band, gun salutes. My brothers and I were like WTF? It wasn't until after he died that the guy we knew as not all that great as all these other people thought, was maybe a whole lot better than we ever knew. I remember the same sense of sort of shock at my grandmother's funeral (my dad's mother). Literally hundreds of people came to pay their respects to a dirt poor women who had quietly tended to the needs of people far and wide. Although there were things to be taken care of, basically my dad had covered the bases for us. I thought, he lived a very complicated life and he died well. To Die Well became my goal. I thought I can't change the past but I can still try to become a person who makes things a little better each day. I'll leave behind lots of my wandering thoughts written down for my kids too. So if I had a beer right now I'd raise a toast to all our relatives who have gone before us, to all the people who shaped us in ways we might not have appreciated, to ourselves for the guts to keep trying to live well and to our children and grandchildren in the hopes that the legacy we leave them will instill strength and compassion. | |
| Mare | Posted: 14 August 2013 - 10:08 PM |
ROXIE said -Kara, Diane, Mare, Dianne, Tillie, I very much appreciate the longer and more in-depth posts as I think they hit home more with me. Mare said she was in a slump (sleep/doze) and I think I am, also, these past couple days. I don't know if it is the CFS or what. I'm just going with it because in my experience it does pass and I get more done. I'm sticking with the basics at least. Wow Roxie I could have written this myself. I find that the CFS kicks on (relapses) every now and again out of the blue and it is usually combined with, or causes maybe. more of an emotional slump as well. Not being able to move as freely or think as clearly can be such an obstacle. Part of what might be going on is my age (64) and thoughts about it. As I sporadically work on ancestry dot com, I have realized my father was just shy of his 70th birthday when he passed (heart) and my mother was, I think, about 74 (heart). Both were obese for their entire adult lives (not when younger) and I believe that was a major contributor. My mom developed Type II diabetes when I was in high school, and I am sure it was because of her weight. Again it is the same with me about my age (59) which I can barely if at all relate to being! I swear I feel like I am 38 at the most hahaha. My dad was 80 and my mom 78 when they passed and I still miss them a lot, especially my dad who lived with me and had a lot of health issues those 16 years. I worry sometimes about my own weight (high) and wonder if I will get diabetes because of it but no sign yet, thankfully. My grandmother had it but was not really over weight. Be sure that I loved my parents and their size was NEVER an issue in terms of my loving them and being proud of them. I just wanted them healthier as they grew older. And I want them and all my relatives still here. Waaah. I do not have a weight issue, but I smoke. Just as bad. And again, me too... about the smoking. I am lucky that no one treats me with any disrespect or unkindness where my weight is concerned, I have alost some this year but have a way to go and I really appreciate what you say about how you feel in regard to your parents. Now I look at the fact I could go any day and part of me does not care and part of me is so sad about it. I started an autobiography of sorts at my son's request, and had fairly well covered the first five years when my computer crashed and I lost the draft. Wow... me too me too. At my daughter's request. I did a time line and was shocked at the amount and number of tragedies I have been through but it explains a lot about my own journey... I think he's most interested in how life was different in the "old days." And it was most certainly very different, as has been each generation. I so miss all my relatives who have passed, and that is most of them except cousins. We were most of us very close all these years, thanks to the efforts of my parents to regularly get together. So true, things are so different in terms of generations. Especially as I was raied over seas (Asia) and thinking about how I raised my family - few electronics and more outdoor stuff -to how my grandchildren are coming up but I will say my children are acutely aware of the differences and make time to instill old fashioned values and experiences. THis is meandering, but this is what I've been thinking about lately. I wish each of my relatives had left behind memoirs of what their individual lives were like and what the times were like. My grandmother, for instance, got married at 17 and was widowed by 19, with one child and pregnant with the second. This would have been about 1918. He drowned (bodies never found) in a fishing boat that went out, at age 24. How sad. I'm so glad you meandered and gave me (us) a chance to know you better and see the commonalities as well as the uniquenesses and I share that wish, so pointed when I think that there is no longer anyone to actually -ask-. Wow yes, so interesting but sad. My grandmother came in a covered wagon from Arizone to Florida and then lost her young husband to a telephone pole tragedy (struck while he was high up), leaving her with 2 small children to raise and she was remarkable, so were my mother and uncle. Thank you again for sharing so much of yourself in this post. | |
| Roxie | Posted: 14 August 2013 - 04:54 PM |
Kara, Diane, Mare, Dianne, Tillie, I very much appreciate the longer and more in-depth posts as I think they hit home more with me. Mare said she was in a slump (sleep/doze) and I think I am, also, these past couple days. I don't know if it is the CFS or what. I'm just going with it because in my experience it does pass and I get more done. I'm sticking with the basics at least. Part of what might be going on is my age (64) and thoughts about it. As I sporadically work on ancestry dot com, I have realized my father was just shy of his 70th birthday when he passed (heart) and my mother was, I think, about 74 (heart). Both were obese for their entire adult lives (not when younger) and I believe that was a major contributor. My mom developed Type II diabetes when I was in high school, and I am sure it was because of her weight. Be sure that I loved my parents and their size was NEVER an issue in terms of my loving them and being proud of them. I just wanted them healthier as they grew older. And I want them and all my relatives still here. Waaah. I do not have a weight issue, but I smoke. Just as bad. Now I look at the fact I could go any day and part of me does not care and part of me is so sad about it. I started an autobiography of sorts at my son's request, and had fairly well covered the first five years when my computer crashed and I lost the draft. I think he's most interested in how life was different in the "old days." And it was most certainly very different, as has been each generation. I so miss all my relatives who have passed, and that is most of them except cousins. We were most of us very close all these years, thanks to the efforts of my parents to regularly get together. THis is meandering, but this is what I've been thinking about lately. I wish each of my relatives had left behind memoirs of what their individual lives were like and what the times were like. My grandmother, for instance, got married at 17 and was widowed by 19, with one child and pregnant with the second. This would have been about 1918. He drowned (bodies never found) in a fishing boat that went out, at age 24. How sad. | |
| Mare | Posted: 09 August 2013 - 06:17 PM |
diane said...The hard stuff: today I don't have as much energy, still have some paperwork nagging me, will only take minutes but I have brooded over it for much longer, just do it!!! We are in the same boat as far as energy is concerned mine is still low and I have done a lot of sleeping and snoozing. I know it will get better but for now we have to listen to our bodies and yes be kind to ourselves... sometimes that is really hard to do, to fight the nagging voices telling ourselves we are lazy and will never get things done. YES WE WILL, and we are NOT lazy! So good that you stood your ground, too and you are so right about friendship. Kindnesskindnesskindness! Roxie said to diane... Is there some way we can help or encourage you with regard to churning? What seems to be the hangup point or issue? Also I saw her answer... Thanks Roxie. I will have to pay attention to what I am thinking when I churn. My guess, I am thinking, "later I will be able to decide easier, so just put it here for now". Haven't labeled areas yet, so not sure where certain things will go. Don't know how much area to allot to categories I am having the same problem, mine is also in labeling and separating, it seems to be so daunting even when I try to do just one box or bag... Hopefully this will get better I need to just do it, just crack down on myself and not let myself get away with it too much or for too long. Dianne said... Anyway, thank you Diane. Compassion is something I want to practice and extend a lot more of in life. Probably because I need it so much. Anybody remember the Moody Blues? Question of Balance....And all the love you've been giving, has all been meant for you..... Good times, good concerts, good smokes, good life 🙂 I loved your post Dianne, it helped me to see some things about myself, like you did, more clearly and I tend to do the same thing, making it about mememe. I want to listen better, to respond to the message like you said... thank you so much for taking the time to post all of that, and I echo your sentiment and remember the Moody Blues and the good times...! | |
| Dianne | Posted: 09 August 2013 - 08:44 AM |
Diane, I'm sorry Molly wasn't doing well yesterday. Is her mobility still pretty good? Thanks for saying you're learning kindness skills from my posts. 🙂 There have been periods in my life where I was very unkind, even hateful. Sometimes my unfeelingness bordered on cruelty without quite knowing it looking back on things. As my grandmother (mostly lived with us, mostly disliked) lay on her deathbed, she gripped my hand trying to talk to me. I just sat there with a smile on my face saying, "Sorry Gammie, I don't understand you." She died a couple hours afterwards. Much soul searching later, now if I have the honor (not the burden) of sitting by someone in the last stages of life I reassure them that all is understood (even if it's not), all is forgiven, he/she is dearly loved, appreciated and will have the comfort and protection of another person as they lay there so vulnerable. Sometimes I've been told I come across as turning everything about me. I think that's my bumbling way of trying to make a connection with someone. Like saying, I understand you, my situation is blah, blah, blah. My social skills are way off. It's weird how I kind of see animals or even things (not rational but still...) as having more feelings than people. Or babies, old people or mentally challenged as needing more protection and kindness because if someone hurt their feelings they would be soo hurt and confused, not angry like an adult reaction (which really just masks hurt) and adults hurt each other all the time so who cares about kindness there? Ah these are the thoughts I try to make sense of before falling asleep at night.....so much to figure out... Anyway, thank you Diane. Compassion is something I want to practice and extend a lot more of in life. Probably because I need it so much. Anybody remember the Moody Blues? Question of Balance....And all the love you've been giving, has all been meant for you..... Good times, good concerts, good smokes, good life 🙂 | |
| diane | Posted: 09 August 2013 - 12:30 AM |
Thanks Roxie. I will have to pay attention to what I am thinking when I churn. My guess, I am thinking, "later I will be able to decide easier, so just put it here for now". Haven't labeled areas yet, so not sure where certain things will go. Don't know how much area to allot to categories. | |
| Roxie | Posted: 08 August 2013 - 03:34 PM |
Diane, good for you on standing your ground! Way to go! Sorry Molly is having mishaps again. 🙁 Baby her and love her. (I am sure you do.) Is there some way we can help or encourage you with regard to churning? What seems to be the hangup point or issue? Hugs | |
| diane | Posted: 08 August 2013 - 12:26 PM |
The hard stuff: today I don't have as much energy, still have some paperwork nagging me, will only take minutes but I have brooded over it for much longer, just do it!!! | |
| Mare | Posted: 07 August 2013 - 10:30 PM |
You give me hope too Kara, thank you for being here so much and for the chats, maybe we can hook up tomorrow, I was in bed most of the day with my fatigue taking over but tomorrow is a new day, eh? See you soon! | |
| Kara | Posted: 07 August 2013 - 07:53 AM |
You give me hope: if you can do it. SO CAN I. Thanks | |
| Mare | Posted: 03 August 2013 - 12:19 PM |
I am still very new but I certainly agree and am so very grateful. This gives me a safe haven with understanding and support that is so priceless... I look forward to reading and posting every day and to the meetings on Sunday and Tuesday. Even little chats make my spirits soar. I know I am on the pink cloud for now, everything looking rosy and new, but I plan to stay for the long laul and I know others have been doing that for quite a while Thank you all so very much. | |
| Roxie | Posted: 03 August 2013 - 12:16 PM |
I was just sitting here thinking that without all of you and my coming here each day, I truly believe I would have already backslid into squalor as if the major cleanup had not occurred. And again, thanks to you, I am chipping away at things each day and actually learning new skills and routines. I am so grateful to you all for being here and staying here and sharing yourself and your encouragement. | |
| Mare | Posted: 01 August 2013 - 06:58 PM |
Thank you Roxie, so true. I am generally open and honest of course, it just takes a little time to be able to share the hard stuff but I will get there I am sure. Reading everyone else certainly helps, so open, so personal, so generous. | |
| Roxie | Posted: 01 August 2013 - 05:31 PM |
Aw. Mare, it just takes some time to trust us here. But consider that we are just words on the page, and no one really knows who we are, so we can be and actually are honest about our issues. That's my take on it anyway. The relationships that develop are real enough! Janie, wondering how you are doing? Diane, how is Molly? What are you up to? Dianne, Thank you so much for your kind words. It was really bothering me to have no responses. 🙁 | |
| Mare | Posted: 01 August 2013 - 02:52 PM |
...and I am working on the TRUST part hahaha! | |
| Dianne | Posted: 01 August 2013 - 02:40 PM |
🙂 | |
| Mare | Posted: 01 August 2013 - 01:43 AM |
Dianne... I loved that you said this: sharing your hardships because you trust us, sharing your successes because you know we'll celebrate with you | |
| Dianne | Posted: 31 July 2013 - 10:42 AM |
What? Everything you say is always good ~ interesting, insightful, encouraging, sharing your hardships because you trust us, sharing your successes because you know we'll celebrate with you. You are loved here, sister. 🙂 | |
| Roxie | Posted: 31 July 2013 - 01:46 AM |
Was it something I said? 🙁 | |
| Roxie | Posted: 28 July 2013 - 04:15 PM |
Diane and Dianne: how is today? | |
| Roxie | Posted: 25 July 2013 - 02:53 PM |
Dang, I forgot to adjust the font again. Anyway, Diane, I doubt I'll be riding again, either, as I am pretty weak. I would LOVE to be around horses and donkeys, especially miniature horses. But I doubt anyone would let me just hang out on their horse ranch. | |
| diane | Posted: 25 July 2013 - 02:53 PM |
foot stomping, butt sliding with resulting clean beds, saved the washing machine in the process!! Probably harder on washing machine that your butt to wash those pet beds!!! Maybe this was a fortuneate misfortune! | |