I don't have a gas heater, so don't know proper approach to dealing with it. Your comments about pilot light and outside do lead to one thought-if the laundry shed is drafty, maybe a wind gust did blow it out. Do you "neighbor" much and if so is there a neighbor person that might know about them (water heater pilot lights) you could ask for help to take a look?
Roxie
Posted: 06 January 2014 - 02:34 PM
Oh, dear, oh dear, no hot water. I've looked at my gas tank water heater which is in the cold laundry shed outdoors. I don't know if the pilot light is out or what is the matter. I've been researching instructions online and it looks like I have to remove two covers to get to the pilot light area.
It is so cold just being out there is hard, plus my left thumb is almost useless, I think due to spraining.
I am considering just calling my plumbing company to come and replace the whole thing tomorrow or whenever. Oh dear, oh dear.
Barb
Posted: 06 January 2014 - 01:04 PM
We had quite a blizzard yesterday. Today the outside temperature is minus 13 and dropping. Wind gusts are 25 to 30 miles per hour. The entire state of Indiana is shut down. Major highways are closed due to black ice and whiteouts caused by blowing and drifting snow. My plans to blitz clean today are somewhat on hold. I am spending part of the day under a blanket cuddled with two dogs and a cat. My new furnace is having difficulty keeping up. I have cleared areas around all the floor vents, but I know that if there were fewer piles of clutter, heating would be much more efficient. My home sits at the end of a T road. When the west wind roars up the street off the prairie, the only thing to stop it in a quarter of a mile is my house. I am fortunate. I have power and plenty of food. I'll just have to hunker down for the next few days until this is over.
dave
Posted: 06 January 2014 - 11:40 AM
Mrs Dave asked me to remove "box mountain" today.
(Tillie, she has, in a way done what you have done. She created a clean dresser top in the living room which is verboten for Mr. Dave. She put a couple of christmas trees on it. "Box Mountain" was put on an empty shelf beside it (stacked quite high for shock value for Mr. Dave). )
D and T, what is quite humbling is that she told me that what I did last week helping her with that one box ("tub") was what inspired her to the work this weekend. She filled about a third of our recycle dumpster with assorted papers that did not need to be shredded and were no longer necessary for her life, put some things in outbound, and; with not all of the boxes being full, was able to combine the contents of 8 boxes and 1 tub into 3 storage tubs. I see a few things on the discard pile that I know were quite hard for her to let go of.
Tillie
Posted: 06 January 2014 - 11:02 AM
Hi Diane :) Yes, the empty bins & boxes all in one out of the way location. GREAT! that you got some sleep. Makes all the difference. :D
diane
Posted: 06 January 2014 - 10:57 AM
Morning Tillie, we posted at same time again. Glad bunnie got carrots. Dog slept last night and is still sleeping. He clocked 10-15 miles running at full speed chasing birds yesterday , so really needed the sleep, thank goodness, I feel so much better when I get sleep. It is cloudy here today, but will be in 40's so can be outside part of day. Tillie do you remember what my goals are this week, did not write down and forgot. I remember maintenance, and to start donation bag. Oh yeah, as I type, I remember organize all empty bins in garage, then from bedroom to garage, all in same place. anything else Tillie thanks for all the support and humor, makes a huge difference.
diane
Posted: 06 January 2014 - 10:47 AM
Dave, I am so impressed with your honesty. Most addicts are self centered and and selfish, and in denial of this. Your honesty is so refreshing. By being honest, you will be able to look at your bags as the funny useless things that they are. A lot of my shopping and hoard were/are for "others". being the selfish person I am, plans to make something for others, makes me think I am generous, while the stuff sits in a pile. Also gave me permission to buy more stuff. My virtual viewing of you sees what we have in common and know the pain you go through making decisions to do things differently. I know the paralysis of indecision, the excitement of rescuing from outgoing, and the thrill of walking through stores. Controlling all this stuff is a full time job, what if there is something better to do with our time? I want better times for you and all of us. Just for today, lets take a risk and throw something away we would normally keep, and congratulate ourselves.
Tillie
Posted: 06 January 2014 - 10:39 AM
Good morning everybody :D
Doing some laundry right now. Tomorrow the weather is supposed to turn to rain or snow. Today I will do some good thourough house cleaning. Bathroom, floors, everything will be wiped clean. Have a fresh new bag in the vacuum and I plan to fill it with all the dust & dirt I can find to suck up. :D
Late last night I turned the front light on to look out at all the work I had done in the garden. Saw a cotton tail bunny sitting there looking sad that I had removed all the nice protective hiding places. I have put out some more carrots to try & make it up to him.
So, what are Ya'll up to today? :)
Tillie
Posted: 06 January 2014 - 10:30 AM
Hi Dave :) You crack me up. :D lol Don't worry I don't virtually hit I just virtually sigh as I roll my eyes. ;)
WTG! for getting the bags into the recycle bag. Now just do NOT go get them back out. And you are right about the selfishness of hoarding. My hoarder loves the feeling of "all this stuff is mine mine mine & don't you dare try to take any of it away from me."
P.S. I bet his plastic bag collection is bigger than yours, and he would never share any of it. :D
Dave
Posted: 05 January 2014 - 11:29 PM
Karl, re shopping. Been reflecting, this is best I can come up with for you. As a hoarder, I am a very selfish person. It is all about me. Other people exist to buy, admire, appreciate, provide etc etc MY stuff. absolutely NO WAY I am going to provide ( or at least enjoy providing ) stuff for THEM.
Example. Although I am capable of doing this, I'd better not because Diane and Tillier are watching. If I do it, they will, virtually, severely beat me about the head and shoulders. So Mrs Dave finishes off a bag of Quaker Rice cakes. Hey! great bag for my plastic bag collection. Within a day, Mr Dave is back in a box of "old" stuff for some reason, boxes includes part of a collection (not hoard :) )of plastic bags-lo and behold, there is at least a 10 year old Quaker Rice Cake bag. I bet I am the only person on my block with a bag collection like this! Now, I could give the two bags to a marketing student to use for a project paper about analyzing the marketing psychology or cultural reasons for the changes in package design. But I don't care if the marketing student gets an F because they can't come up with a paper idea. I am all into personal possession and control of the items. That attitude extends to everything I touch. Since I don't get to keep and control the item, there is a different effect in shopping for someone else. My experience and what I have to deal with. Results for others may vary.
(D and T -- 2 rice cake bags in recycle bag with torn plastic bags. Many "good" plastic bags were kept-folded neatly in an empty tissue box for household use.) (we won't talk about the copier paper box half full of "good" plastic bags. I'll find something else to discard this week to make you happy with me.)
Karl
Posted: 05 January 2014 - 04:01 PM
Roxie, the envelope turns red when there are more than ten messages.
Up very late last night, slept in some, going to try to get a couple of local errands done in the next hour. I'll be here for the chat session today. I still need to go back to the techie thread, too.
Barb
Posted: 05 January 2014 - 01:05 PM
Hi all, Diane--enjoy your time with Max. If and when it is time to bring another dog into your home, you will know and it will be right for both of you. Dogs (and cats) bring joy and balance into our lives, but they also add to the dirt and clutter. Tillie--I always look forward to your posts and progress reports. Today is Sunday and I am taking a day of rest. Other than the daily maintenance chores of dishes and keeping the cooking area clean, I am not working on the house. I do use Sunday night to look at my calendar for the week, see what obligations and appointments I need to work around, what deadlines I need to meet, and try to set a few goals for the week. I find that if I can take a day of rest, I am more ready to go full steam ahead on Monday. If I am able to get a good productive Monday under my belt, I am more likely to keep up the momentum. This works for me. It is not everyone's lifestyle. For those of you who find Sunday a good day to get things done, do what works for you. We are having a blizzard here in the midwest. The snow is accumulating rapidly and many places are closed for the day and anticipate being closed tomorrow. I am safe and warm in my tiny home and have plenty of food---and I can cook in my newly clean kitchen. (One of my fears has been that we would have a snowstorm before I got the kitchen clean enough to store food, cook and eat in.) `
Roxie
Posted: 05 January 2014 - 12:59 PM
Can someone explain why the little "envelopes" alongside each thread are either red or blue?
I enjoyed reading all your posts. Tillie, that was an inspiring story about your job with that family, helping them to declutter and learn to stay decluttered and clean. You ought to offer your services in your area at an appropriate hourly rate. When are you getting your new computer?
Dave, too funny! And good that Mrs. Dave is helping out. Consider that if you donate some of those containers, they will be of great use to someone else who needs some.
Sandy, good to see you post.
Dianne, Diane, Barb, and all. I'm with you and cheering you on. It is always good to see Cory post as I don't go to the live chats so miss out on contact with him.
Tillie
Posted: 05 January 2014 - 11:54 AM
Good Morning Everybody :D
Clear blue skys again today! :D YEA Have some laundry out on the clothesline. Once it warms up out there I plan to get outside and do some more yardwork (play). All the cats will be out there "helping" me. ;) All the snow has melted except along the north side of things. I am house sitting the big house again for the next two months. Nothing to do over there except bring in the mail and water the plants. It's an easy way for me to make a little money.
Hi Cory :) Lucky kitties! :D I have always wanted an outside enclosure for cats. Keeps them happy and safe.
Hi Diane :) WAY TO GO! so happy you have the loaner dog to keep you company! :D Wonderful day you have planned. It is very possible to maintain. But you need to stay connected to the people and activities you employed to help break the old habits. You need to be accountable. While doing all this hard work of decluttering, making a million decisions, doing needed repairs and deep cleaning you have to address all your emotions. Don't try to run away from feelings or you will just bury them all again. This is why we wish that everybody could afford and find a therapist who is trained and very experienced with hoarding. But since that is not always an option available to everybody the next best thing is to find someone like Cory who will generously give his knowledge and to find and read everything written by the true experts in the field.
Diane, you CAN do this and keep it maintained. (((hugs)))
diane
Posted: 05 January 2014 - 11:11 AM
Tillie your story about helping clean cluttered house was very inspiring. I need to believe it is possible to maintain a clean house after all the work I am putting into making this place livable and even pleasant!! I know many people on this site, do great for awhile then disappear only to come back with sad stories of returning to old ways. I have to believe it is possible to maintain. I have lived in shameful conditions for 20 years so have to really make permanent changes so I don't fail again.
diane
Posted: 05 January 2014 - 11:05 AM
Every time I see "Cory" in spot who last posted, I smile and hurry and open it up. Thanks Cory for letting us know your plans, sounds like a good plan for the day. I was sitting here with little motivation, a bit tired, then reading your statement about using our day wisely I realized sitting is not my best use of time, thanks. I am so happy I have loaner dog this week, we have been playing fetch for an hour. The toys he ripped the cover off of, I sewed sox on with extra crinkly plastic in, so he is so happy. He is motivating me to get out for a walk every day, so good he is here. Clean sheets on bed Today I will start a new donation bag, walk through every room and see what I can put in it. No pressure, just make it a fun search. When sun is in yard, will work on a new walkway with stones or bricks or stones and bricks, whatever my hidden artist wants to do. Hope you all enjoy your day, see you at 5pm
Cory Chalmers
Posted: 05 January 2014 - 10:23 AM
Use your Sunday wisely!
Today I am doing all the yard work, picking up my son at the airport at 11:00, hitting the grocery store, then finishing putting all the chicken wire on our outdoor patio for the kitties :).
Hope your day is a great one!
diane
Posted: 04 January 2014 - 05:51 PM
Dave so happy you are working together to make life better. She is more important than "maybe projects. Max and I just came in from going for a walk and working in yard. Sun leaves my yard at 3 in winter, cold today but beautiful. Shock: I had a spinach salad with sliced boiled eggs, actually looked pretty, first salad in forever. Ate it while soup was cooking. Shock of all shocks, washed dishes as I went, even put them away. I put fresh spinich, my new organic potatoes, black beans, and frozen broccoli, carrots, and cauliflower, also red pepper boxed organic soup. Turned out delicious. A clean house can open the door to all kinds of surprises. I think I was really depressed after Molly died, and didn't realize it until Max came for a visit, he is such a delight. Sunshine helps too. Did you have fun in your yard Tillie?
Tillie
Posted: 04 January 2014 - 04:49 PM
WAY TO GO! Dave and Mrs. Dave :D Wonderful job making all those empty plastic storage bins! :D
Dave
Posted: 04 January 2014 - 04:36 PM
If my wife keeps this up, my next horde within the hoard may be empty Sterlite plastic tubs. (In case I want to save something. :) ). The outbound pile increased by considerably more than a ping pong ball today. ( her work, not mine.)
I already have several tubs that have turned up in the garage that I rescued from the recycle center or bought at goodwill that I am starting to have a great deal of trouble justifying keeping. I think a few will be useful outside in the spring, but I think I have gone beyond that number.
Tillie
Posted: 04 January 2014 - 11:52 AM
Diane :) Max is a lucky dog! :D Sunny & clear here today. Planning on doing some yardwork (playing) when it warms up a little. (((HUGS)))
Tillie
Posted: 04 January 2014 - 11:47 AM
YEA! DAVE!!!! :D
WAY TO GO!!!! :D
Tillie
Posted: 04 January 2014 - 11:46 AM
Once upon a time, long long ago... I found myself tricked into helping a very reluctant housewife clean her house. She was not a hoarder but for many years had just left all her stuff pile up all over until there was no more usable space for her family in the house. The family brought me in because they were miserable and always getting sick from the squalorous conditions in the home. I agreed to do this for one week, not the whole month like they wanted. My first rule was that when she picked up an item she had to make a decision as to keep, donate or toss the item right then. OHIO = Only Handle It Once. If she decided to keep it she had to explain "why?" She was ornery and argumentative the whole time. When we got to decluttering another area, she then dug in her heals and told me "I am not going to decide on this!" I said "OK, so your decision is to not to decide." She said "NO, I said I will not make a decision!" I explained to her that deciding not to decide is a decision. She continued with the decluttering. We filled truck loads for donation and truck loads for the dump. I trapped too many mice and had the husband locate and cover all mouse holes. Since she had not been doing any housework all these years I taught the two teenage kids and the husband what needed to be done daily, weekly and monthly to keep the house clean so they would all stay healthy and not keep getting so sick. It was fun teaching them, they all wanted a safe clean home so badly and were willing workers. By the time I left, the kitchen and bathroom were sanitary. The rest of the house was properly decluttered and the family had been taught housekeeping. The family was also very itchy with skin rashes. The wife had been stuffing so much laundry into the washing machine that all the clothes had so much residual detergent on them they had to all be rinsed four times to remove all the soap. Their skin healed up immediately. With husband pressuring his wife into doing a To-Do list daily while he was away at work. Three months later I returned. The house was CLEAN. Walls & ceilings washed. Bathroom and kitchen sanitary. Laundry washed and put away. No more mice. The kids rooms had only the kid's stuff in them. No more dust. The squalor was gone. The house has remained clean all these years later. Anyways.... The moral of the story is that deciding not to decide is a decision and that decision is what leads to squalor.
I know, TLDR ;D
diane
Posted: 04 January 2014 - 11:09 AM
Sister Tillie we posted at the same time again!!!! So happy you got sleep, so did I , makes life so much better. Max got a massage this morning, lucky dog. Thanks for your input on my work paying off in the end, I appreciate you so much and all the help you give me. And yes, even though my income is so low, having a cleaner come in once a month for 3 hours would be so helpful. Just until I get caught up. Sun is out here hope you have sun today also Tillie. Hugs, really appreciate you Tillie.
Dave
Posted: 04 January 2014 - 11:08 AM
@Tillie
( Red Face )
I just put a ping pong ball back in "Outbound".
Thank You!
diane
Posted: 04 January 2014 - 11:03 AM
Barb, I can relate to every word you said. This morning I went into the kitchen and there were 4 items on kitchen counter that did not belong. Putting them away, gave me such a sense of accomplishment, thought, no one would understand, but I know you do!!!!!!! I haven't been eating healthy food often enough and that is what I want to focus on in my clean kitchen. It is 7 degrees here now, so I am content being in here and plan to cook something healthy. Soup is my favorite on cold days, good plan, will get that started. As for the enormity of hoard, I have felt that too, and make myself focus on progress. I stuffed more stuff in other rooms to make this area livable when Sandy came here Thursday, I know that will be done, but for now I am enjoying my clean areas and maintenance will be my focus like never before. Organize don't agonize is something I read last night, love it. We can only keep going, doing this with support from the folks here, so happy we have this site.
Tillie
Posted: 04 January 2014 - 10:59 AM
Good morning everybody! :D
Got a good night's sleep last night and woke up with lots of energy. :)
Hi Sandy :) WAY TO GO!!!! Fantastic that you had the sleep over! :D So wonderful that you hired help and now most all your home is clear & clean. (((hugs))) :D
Hi Diane :) What your hoarder friend said is all wrong... You work on your hoard daily and depending on how fast you can declutter, in a month to a year your entire home is then clear, clean, peaceful, serene and a place for you to truly relax, a real sanctuary. Doing all this hard work of decision making, repairs and deep cleaning is really worth the time and effort. Sad to think that your friend is content to die in a hoard having had no quality of home life. 15 dollars an hour is a good price to pay for a house cleaner. She can do some work for you to free you up to get the other rooms decluttered. (((hugs)))
Hi Dave :) So what are you planning to do with all the loot you acquired while helping your wife? I have this problem too. When I declutter my own possessions my hoarder goes through the trash can and donation bags and gathers up stuff to add to his hoard. I hate getting rid of things only to later see them again so much so that I now smash all smashables, burn all burnables or bury things deep under cat box scoopings in the trash can. Unfortunately, he will still dig stuff out. :D
Hi Barb :) WAY TO GO!!! for having a clean stove and preparing better meals!!! :D Just keep chipping away at the kitchen clutter and very soon it will be all done. Make sure to take regular breaks and to keep your focus on one small do-able section at a time. (((HUGS)))
Hi Roxie :)
Hi Dianne :) Good luck excavating that room and I hope you find that crucifix right where it should be in there. If your daughter can help you that would be great. This is a wonderful opportunity for you to finally get that room decluttered. With help I think you would be able to make more decisions to donate rather than store more stuff. Good luck (((hugs)))
Barb
Posted: 04 January 2014 - 09:57 AM
Happy Saturday morning, everyone. Yesterday I decluttered the top of my stove, washed down the walls around the stove, stove top, vent hood, burners and drip pans. Inside the oven does not look bad---a few burnt drip spots---it will wait. My stove is clean, clean, clean! Anyway, I cooked supper for myself, ate, did up the dishes, wiped down the stove again and it is clean and ready to use again today. That may not sound like much to some, but to me it is a major accomplishment. I can actually cook healthy food and eat it again. I have been surviving on sandwiches, microwaved food and eating out for weeks. The sandwiches were a recent addition since getting the refrigerator cleaned out. Today I plan to clean off the counter next to the stove. Little by little I am taking back my kitchen! A major winter storm is moving in so I may well be housebound for the next few days. They are predicting snow and frigid (below zero) temperatures. I may as well use the time to keep going on the decluttering and cleaning. I woke up this morning and started to be depressed about the hugeness of this mess. Some days it just seems overwhelming. It would be easy to just play computer games all day and mentally block off the world. So, I focus on the clean parts of the kitchen, narrow my focus to the task at hand, and remind myself that I WILL get it done, one small part at a time. And I reread all the posts from my friends on this site. It is your stories and comments that keep me going. Knowing that I can share my little successes here and know that others hear me and understand is priceless.
Barb
Posted: 03 January 2014 - 07:05 PM
Oh, Sandy, I am so glad for you. What you have done for your daughter and yourself is magnificent! And thank you for posting your success. It gives the rest of us such hope and encouragement. When I was first married, my husband and I both made good money. I was trying to finish my master's and he was teaching all day and then two night classes a week at the university. I had a friend of a friend come in on Thursdays to clean the kitchen, entry, living room and bathroom. It was well worth it. I went into every weekend unafraid to let people in the main area of the house. I could keep those rooms neat and clutter free. We used to have the kind of house where people felt free to "drop by." I want to have that kind of house again. In my area, $20 an hour for someone who works freelance and does a good thorough job is fair. Sometimes they require certain cleaning supplies that they know will do a good job and are non-toxic. If you can afford it, Sandy, go for it. Having someone keep the living areas clean will give you the opportunity, time and energy to tackle the clutter in the other parts of the house.
Dave
Posted: 03 January 2014 - 06:02 PM
while you are waiting for Sandy's reply:
2,080 hours in the year at 40 hr weeks. So, maximum income for year approximatly $30K. Assuming this person reports income and pays taxes; Fed Inc tax, State Inc tax, and both halves of the FICA tax. Health insurance. Cleaning supplies and transportation. Your car shop probably gets $70-$100 per hour, mental health professionals probably get $100-$150 per hour.
On the other hand I did my first clutter cleaning consulting job the other day (helping my wife with a box that was troubling her). I got two pennies, two rocks, several sea shells and an "antique" rubbermaid coaster in payment. Violating one of the cardinal clutter cleaner consultant's ground rules--"thou shalt not appropriate thy client's crap", I also got two binder clips and two picture frames.
Gives you a range to think about and decide if "reasonable" should fall within or outside of it.
diane
Posted: 03 January 2014 - 04:17 PM
Sandy the more I think about what you wrote, the more I want to hire a cleaner, it may motivate me to unload the rest of the hoard. My neighbor charges $15 an hour, is that normal? She works for my friend that is a minamolist cleanie, and does a good job in a beautiful home, not sure how she would react to an old trailer, but only lives 2 blocks from me, so at least wouldn't be a commute. What is your opinion?
diane
Posted: 03 January 2014 - 04:06 PM
I am tired right along with you Tillie, hope tonight for both of us. Sandy, great story, I want to get to the point where I can have a cleaner even once a month. I am still confused why I choose to hang onto stuff in 2 hoard rooms and garage. Having clean living room, dining room, kitchen and bathroom has me looking at the hoard in such a different light. I finally can see and feel the burden it is and how it is ok to enjoy a clean life, and my fear of being destined to fail doesn't have to be true. My hoarder friend said, "I can see it now, you work on your hoard daily, then you die, what is the quality of that life?" My feelings were a little sad, but today when I can relax and enjoy this area being free from clutter, I know I am doing the right thing. 2014 is already so much better, even though I am whipped from being so sleep deprived, I feel such a sense of serenity in here. I am so grateful we all found each other.
Sandy
Posted: 03 January 2014 - 03:05 PM
It's good to hear of everyone's progress. I have had a great triumph. I held my daughter's birthday sleepover last night, and it was a great success. I worked for days to clear out the junk in the house, and I managed to do it all except for two downstairs rooms that we did not use. I then hired a house cleaning service to clean up after the junk was out. The lady from the service said that my house was quite dirty, and perhaps I would like to hire her to clean on a regular basis. I said yes I would. Then she said, "I've seen worse. I have cleaned the house of a hoarder. But you're not a hoarder." I thought to myself, "Oh, yes I am a hoarder. You didn't see the house before I cleared the junk." But I didn't say anything. Now the house is clean except for my daughter's room and the other upstairs room where the kids ate. The kids made a mess. But it's a mess I can and will clean, because the rest of my house looks and feels great except for those two downstairs rooms that are still full of junk. I still have work to do! The folks in the Sunday night chat were a big help. Thank you.
Tillie
Posted: 03 January 2014 - 01:54 PM
Good morning :) Still morning here for a few more minutes.
Scooter had some GI upset last night and kept me up with him, for company. I am exhausted. My brain is fuzzy and I can hardly think. So many things I wanted to do today.... Oh Well
Will reread the message board again when I can concentrate.
Wonderful to see so many posts! :D
Roxie
Posted: 03 January 2014 - 12:03 PM
I love, love, love reading the stories you all have written, and I hope you share more, especially about you and animals.
Dianne, is your live-out daughter interested in anything else in that room, or are you at liberty to discard? Would she be willing to come and work a little on the room? It might even be a bit of an adventure plowing through things. I so enjoyed your dog stories. More! And I agree about the big dogs. Love them but I know I cannot handle anything more than a docile couch potato now. The little pug who looks like an English Mastiff must be a treat. Thank you.
The best trained dog I ever handled was an abandoned, ungroomed and filthy Shih Tzu boy I fostered. He literally pranced when I got him a lion cut and a bath.
Dave, you write so well. Has that been part of your jobs or careers? Love the pointy feeling you described about the Dobie experience, and calling yourself "lunch." The two Dobie girls I fostered were docile as all get out, and one was just goofy funny.
Barb, you are such a welcome voice, I am glad you came back to meet with us.
Diane, I do know what you mean about this place being a sort of life-saver for a hoarder. It helps bring me back to point when I've drifted off. My tendency to leave things where they are first put down is back in full force so I'm having to work at combatting and overcoming that. You sound happy when you have a dog to care for. If you don't want to permanently adopt another dog, maybe you could foster a dog now and then or just borrow one. You have such grit, dear.
Tillie, I'm glad reading our hoarding woes and conquests helps you, too. You are so invaluable to us here, and so dear to tell your stories.
Hello to Karl and MayMay and anyone I might have left out unintentionally.
It is bitter cold today, although sunny with blue skies. I intend to avoid going outdoors except as I have to in tending the feral colony. I've been able to quickly pet three of them so far as they eat (forget about it otherwise). But they do interact with me in terms of expressing their desire for food or water, or looking for assistance with bully raccoons.
Did I say I put away all the canned cat food? One whole shelf of my upper cabinets is now full, plus now I have extra paper plates. I fear my hoarding cleaner was correct, though, and that I really ought to return to regular plates, as I tend not to go out and round up the used paper plates until they start blowing away and I feel guilty about neighbors. hehe
Got through another year of Lark Rise to Candleford. I get really involved in the characters and dread the end of season four. But then I'll find another BBC series to get involved in, I am sure.
Last night I had a long dream and I was competing in one gymnastics Olympics event..at my age. LOL
diane
Posted: 03 January 2014 - 10:24 AM
Dianne my windshield wiper broke weeks ago and the replacement I bought is still in the trunk, guess I will go out and put it on today, since you reminded me!!
diane
Posted: 03 January 2014 - 10:21 AM
Dianne, what a challenge going through that bedroom, I totally understand moving something to a safe place, and not remembering where that safe place is. Max woke me up several times last night, so am pretty tired today, and still so grateful he is here. And extremely happy my living area is so clean. Reading your post dianne, made me think of all the crap I have to deal with in other rooms. when boss was here she asked questions about hoarding. She asked about a 36 year old relative who has clean living area but everything else is a mess, bags boxes , no organization etc. It brought me back to my late 30's and how I had one messy room and over the years the hoard kept growing until it filled every room. It was very clear to me that my inability to make decisions was at the bottom of much of the hoard. Indecisiveness continues to be a big part of why it is taking me so long to get rid of the hoard. I need very little to survive, and thrive for that matter, so why would I keep all this stuff that gets in the way of me thriving?
Dianne
Posted: 03 January 2014 - 10:09 AM
It is bitterly cold here, wind chills down to -10. But the brilliant sunshine on the snow is beautiful.
Yesterday half the metal blade of a windshield wiper broke off while I was driving. Today I was a little obsessed about going in and getting it fixed. But I know that is just an excuse for not wanting to stay home and work on the hoard.
My live-out daughter's room is so bad. It's one of those rooms where I have just tossed crap and shut the door. She wants me to find a small plastic crucifix that my grandmother gave me when I was 7 and I gave to Buffy when she was 7. Now Buffy wants to give to her daughter when she turns 7 in the beginning of February.
So one of the bad consequences of hoarding is hitting again. I remember she had kept it on her night table for years and then I moved it to a *safe place*. You know what that means. It might not even be in that room anymore.
The room is mostly filled with clothes, shoes, purses, stuffed animals, decorative pillows and everything she ever had as a child. I really hate to start shoving everything in bags and dragging it to the storage unit. But I don't want to make decisions either. So it's major avoidance.
Dianne
Posted: 03 January 2014 - 09:54 AM
Thanks Barb, for sharing about Trooper. He sounds like he was the very best of what you can have in a GSD. That says a lot for you and your husband as owners.
Dave, your assessment is a pretty good one. A lot of poor breeding and handling can mess up those dogs. And you sure don't want to be around a messed up, large, aggressive dog. I am very cautious around strange German Shepherds. Their owners adore them but it is a foolish person who says "my dog would never bite". I loved your story about the Dobie. You, my friend, have good receptor skills in doggy communication. :)
Diane, my fuzzy eyesight first read ~ Well Max the hoarder dog is here......for a split second I envisioned him piling toys in his bed. You did a great job of prepping for his owner to come and well deserve a break. Congratulations!!
diane
Posted: 02 January 2014 - 09:49 PM
Well Max the loaner dog is here, and I am so happy he is. I was so exhausted from cleaning all day, but it was worth it. When she was here I felt ok. Don't plan on working at all tomorrow, this was a long week preparing for visit today. Do plan to take pictures tomorrow. Cleanest it has been in years.
Dave
Posted: 02 January 2014 - 08:13 PM
I suppose I'm going to get into trouble here! My experience with German Shepards as a door to door salesman is that they are by and large mean, nasty, vicious animals. There was one who, even though I was talking with its owner in a calm voice, over a fence and the owner had not given it any verbal clues I was aware of, was barking and lunging. The owner told me that they often even had to lock it up when their daughter visited.
Fortunately for me, I did meet some friendly ones too. I pulled up in one farmyard which looked deserted, hopped out of my car and headed for the house, when around the corner of a barn came a herd of about 6 or 8 of them. I thought my new name was "lunch". They just gathered round and gamboled happily with me up to the house. ( I can't remember for sure, but I think the lady of that house was outside around the corner hanging up laundry so that potential threat got a little more under control fairly quickly.)
The best trained dog I ever met was, I think, a doberman pincher. I pulled up in a driveway. There was an old? dog lying on the porch. It didn't appear to show much interest so I got out of the car, went up the porch steps leaving the dog alone and reached up to knock on the door. I suddenly noticed the feeling of little points on one of my lower extremities. I put my hand back down by my side and the points went away. I backed up and turned to look at the dog. The dog just sat there and looked at me. I decided we both knew who was in charge and went back to my car. I wish I had been able to meet the dog's owner to compliment them. No barking, just did what it was trained to do. That was the most carefully controlled animal bite I have ever received. (Much different than trying to drag a cat out from under a car! :) )
Barb
Posted: 02 January 2014 - 03:02 PM
Dianne, Thanks for posting about your German shepherds. I miss my Trooper. He died shortly before Christmas two years ago and was my husband's dog. They had a very close bond. German shepherds are a very special breed of dog. They are very intelligent and don't tolerate stupid or indecisive people very well. They are not for everyone. I always knew Trooper would lay down his life to protect me but would "stand down" if I said so. He had a sixth sense of who could be trusted and I knew to trust his judgment of people. One afternoon, we started out on our daily neighborhood walk when he suddenly stopped and insisted on turning around and going home. When we got back, a strange car was in my neighbor's driveway. She was not home. Trooper led me around the house. A strange man was trying the back door and looking in the windows. He was trying to find a way to break into the house. How did Trooper know that something was wrong at home? I don't know. But I always felt safe with him around. My Miniature American Shepherds will bark loudly if someone comes to the door and they are a lot of fun. But there will never be another Trooper.
Dianne
Posted: 02 January 2014 - 12:35 PM
Roxie, yeah my guys are purebred, the grandparents are German and Czech all Schutzhund trained to the 3rd level which is most advanced. The breeder here had an accidental breeding and put out a sign on the road. I took the largest male for protection and a few weeks later she talked me into taking the runt who ended up growing as large as his brother but has multiple problems.
I had been attacked by a GSD about 25 years ago and it took a very long time to even be able to look at my own dogs' teeth without having to turn away. They were Belgian Groenendaels who look like long-haired black wolves and have a tendency to *smile*. Belgians (there are 4 coat types) are not for inexperienced dog owners and I'd had Border Collies so the breeder said I'd have no problem getting used to the Schutzhund temperament characteristics.
Boy was she wrong! The Belgians had less tolerance for stupid humans and were higher energy but the size and aggressive tendencies of the Germans were a lot more than I could handle at first. The European GSD's have that heavier head and are much larger than American bred lines. No elegance about them but they are stunningly handsome. My guys topped out at over 100 lbs. The sheer size and intense look will deter anybody.
Because of the behavioural problems I had (including 5 bad attacks by the so-called runt on other dogs) there was a complaint in 2 counties, the one I live in and the one I worked in where they went to work with me, to have them declared dangerous dogs. I took care of the counties' GSD police dogs at the kennel/emergency vet where I worked and was extremely lucky that contacts pretty much made the complaints go away. But I had the top cop trainer come out and work with me and them. She actually wore a full coverage protective body suit. Jackson really hated that suit.
So I learned that Schutzhund isn't just about a training style it's about having the characteristics that make for a highly trainable working dog bred into it. I learned never to help someone by taking a couple dogs off their hands just because they suddenly had to many to handle. I learned that those dogs are my last big dogs ever. When they were young I frequently had to go into the red zone myself and pin one down by the neck to break up a fight. I just don't have that strength or intensity myself anymore. I learned what a pain in the ass it is to have to have such a rigid schedule to keep Dakota from killing our smaller dogs and cats.
Jack did turn into a big, old oafie boy who loves his girlfriend Teeny Tiny Tina, a runty Pug who looks like a tiny English Mastiff. And the boys are amazing companions for Laura and my grandkids. And Kota turned into a great dog for helping us with physical tasks. Although now that he's blind and losing his ability to walk with his hind legs he just gets to have fun. He should be able to go into a wheelchair and learn it easily this spring. And he dearly loves *killing* his squeaker toys and gutting them. Also I don't worry about our safety at all anymore. Jack can still take somebody down and he hates men. Dakota follows his lead. :)
I love, love, love all my babies and could go on all day. But the rest of the day I'm taking in Christmas decorations from outside, seeing my shrink to ask about adjusting the meds, and starting to make inroads into Buffy's old bedroom.
That is a true hoarded room, in some areas over 5 feet high of stuff.
Tillie
Posted: 02 January 2014 - 12:16 PM
Good morning everybody :D
So good to read all your thoughts. That even though you struggle you keep working at it. You are all so much stronger than you realize and have overcome so many obsticles. This is what keeps me going, to hear how very hard you all try.
BIG WAY TO GO!!!!! to all of you! :D
Wish my hoarder would find the motivation to just "try".
Today I am cleaning up inside the house. The usual weekly general cleaning. Bathroom, floors, vacuum, dust, generally straighten. Sun is shining, sky is clear and blue. :D Have 3 loads of cat blankets out drying on the clothes line.
Keep up all the GREAT work! ;D
Barb
Posted: 02 January 2014 - 11:59 AM
Hi, Dave, Thanks for posting your thoughts yesterday on letting go of stuff. I just read "To Lead is to Serve" on Kindle. I have been a volunteer since my early Girl Scout Days and find it helps balance my life. Since I retired from my job Dec. 20, I want to keep volunteering regularly one or two days a week. As an extrovert, I need to get out of the house and socialize with others. It also fills my own need to be needed and appreciated. Your insights and analogies from the book give me a new attitude in letting stuff go. Many of we hoarders have suffered great loss. We hold on to stuff to fill the void. I am posting a quote from Shar McBee's "To Lead is to Serve" on the Encouragement Quotations page. It is on "Sacrifice".
diane
Posted: 02 January 2014 - 11:09 AM
When I got up and saw more clutter I missed last night, I wondered if it will ever end------then read your posts and felt so comforted, without you I would be in a very dark place. Thanks for reminding me of the progress I have made. It is a process, seeing more areas that can be improved. My mind goes to what areas are still bad, have to focus today on progress. The SUN is out today, hooray! Dave did you remember to take breaks after 15 minutes, that seems to help when I remember to do it. Roxie you express your self so well and are so kind. they brought out tons of potatoes in huge boxes. Most were good, maybe 3% were damaged, we got to pick through, any soft ones were given to cows. I cooked some red ones and they were so delicious. Dianne, always enjoy your posts. Barb, so happy you are here Tillie, read all the antenna stuff, thanks. Hope 2014 is a cleaner year for us all!!
Dave
Posted: 02 January 2014 - 09:00 AM
Diane, Wow! Really great progress!
Karl, Sounds like a lot of hard work, congratulations on working through all the choices.
Dave
Posted: 02 January 2014 - 08:57 AM
Roxie, just a note. That book has nothing to do with hoarding, or really even the ideas I expressed. I took a little nap and those thoughts popped up as a synthethis of that book and some other things I've read. The actual book is about managing volunteers in voluteer based organizations. I am having to find new ways to think to attempt convincing myself to do things I have no desire to do.
Roxie
Posted: 02 January 2014 - 08:03 AM
Good morning. Karl, WTG on getting the patio cleared.
Dave, that book sounds interesting, and seems to have Native American tones to it. Part of me has adapted my own variation on the "honoring" you outlined, but I call it gratitudes. Thanks for the reference to the book.
Barb, love your living like a dog idea. hehe Welcome back, and congrats on early retirement and time to do what you really want to do now, and jumping back into the decluttering and cleaning.
Diane, they could not sell the potatoes but they don't go bad after freezing? I could practically live on potatoes, so it must be that bit of Irish in me. You have done remarkable amounts of work in the past couple of months, not to mention the whole year.
Dianne, I can just see the GS pajama party. Do your GSs have the real GS look (mine was a mix so only did in color and pattern). Handsome dogs.
Tillie, I love your tending to nature as you do. That's in my heart, also. I have not done much this year in terms of tending to the song birds, but I will get back to it. When I first lived here, I would see whole flocks of cardinals or bluejays. Amazing sight. Cats never seemed to bother them.
Put dishes away, put all the canned cat food away, and took some things to the garbage bin, and sorted some mail. I made a last-minute donation online to Carolina Wildlife Rehab, and to Big Cat Rescue (Tampa).
I started watching on youtube "Lark Rise to Candleford." Amazingly absorbing. It is four seasons worth of videos. I finished the first season, which was a total of about 10 hours!
Hugs
Karl
Posted: 02 January 2014 - 05:58 AM
The apartment management recently sent out fliers, one of which said that they're planning to do "power washing" of this building January 2 and 3, and everything should be removed from the patio. So I spend some time tonight moving the busted electronics over to the dumpster area (I don't know if I can actually dump them there, or if I'm supposed to contact e-waste recyclers). I moved my bicycle and related stuff over to a fence in a public area that should be out of the way for now.
I had a few other items on the patio that were clearly trash; everything else is now down to three or four boxes, some of which are probably just boxes of containers, and one chair. I'm currently in the process of rearranging my room so that I can put that stuff inside.
Housemate says she's already cleaned her own stuff off of the patio, but I see there's still a couple of unopened sacks of potatoes (likely inedible after this much time), a case of bottled water, a tray of kitty litter (just in case she ever gets another cat), and a card table. Maybe she'll be able to deal with that stuff once mine is out of the way.