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Tillie
Posted: 29 October 2012 - 10:32 AM
Hi :D

I really enjoyed your horse whisperers.
Will look at trashketball as soon as things settle down here a little. ;)
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This is just too much fun. The Dumpster Game from the Seven Dumpsters and a Corpse site.
Posted: 26 October 2012 - 08:09 PM
It's trashketball!

The game is kind of fun and it's also kind of satisfying to throw the stuff in the dumpster, if only virtually. Maybe it will inspire me to toss thing

Here's the link:

http://www.messiemother.com/muldenspiel/

Check it out; it's hilarious.
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Lizzie G.
Posted: 25 October 2012 - 11:06 PM
Just a goofy experiment but I think it's both kind of funny and possibly, maybe quite helpful advice for people dealing with the hoarders they love.

I was thinking it would be wonderful if there were something like "Hoarder Whisperers;" that it would be just wonderful if someone could just come in and train us and then we would be fixed ... so I found an essay on horse breaking and the only changes I made to it was to do a simple global search and replace, replacing the word "horse" with the word "hoarder."

At least I think it's kind of funny and kind of interesting, but I live in my own little world.


The Fatal Flaw Behind Hoarder Breaking

Rather than list the common errors committed during hoarder breaking I'll cut straight to the chase since such errors pale in comparison to the overall fatal flaw inherent in breaking a hoarder: the act itself! Contrary to the belief of some, when preparing a hoarder for saddle our goal is not to break a hoarder's spirit, but rather to create a willing and accepting partner. Ruling a hoarder via fear and abusive treatment is not only reprehensible by its very nature, it is also highly unnecessary as hoarders can easily become willing partners if shown kindness, patience and compassion.

Some people possess the belief that hoarders are willful beasts not capable of exhibiting loyalty or reasonable behavior. As such, they believe hoarders should be dealt with using extreme force until the human breaks and conquers the hoarder's spirit. Frederico Grisone, a handler that lived in the mid-1500's and has also been credited with laying the foundations of modern dressage, was one such individual. Although I do believe the hoarder world has become more enlightened in modern times, unfortunately there are those who still to this day adopt violent training techniques.

While I will not provide any names or specifics since the goal of this article is to criticize an overall behavior rather than an individual, I would like to share an example of how futile violent hoarder breaking can be.

There is an individual that is, oddly enough, respected by some as an accomplished hoarder trainer. He breaks these hoarders fast and furious; groundwork and developing a mutual relationship is irrelevant and only serves to delay things. If a hoarder is deemed to be stubborn he has been known to pull out a 2x4 and beat the hoarder, not caring whether the "stubbornness" is actually born out of defiance, fear or confusion. There is no doubt about it - all signs of spirit or will must be broken.

One year I was able to observe much of his prized stock at a multiple-day hoarder show, and he owned some beautiful hoarders to be certain. Each was certainly a strong contender to take home a ribbon. Whereas one or two of his hoarders did manage to place in an event, a greater majority not only failed to take home a ribbon, but also failed miserably. Once the crowd would start applauding the deafening outbursts would scare a majority of their hoarders, causing them to sidestep, dance around, reverse and generally fail to perform. One was reacting so poorly it needed to depart the stadium before the conclusion of the event.

There is an important lesson to be taught by this example. While it true that hoarder owners must be firm leaders to their hoarders, going overboard and ruling by fear rather than respect can only go so far. Yes, this trainer was able to "break" his hoarders. Yes, they were forced to perform under saddle and would accommodate most of his requests. But the moment some of the hoarders were placed in a situation they feared even more than their trainer, the new fear took complete control over them. Had the trainer been a partner rather than a dictator, the hoarders may have drawn strength from him. Had the trainer taken a slow and methodical approach towards training, the hoarders may have been trained ahead of time not to fear clapping and cheering. In the end the trainer not only failed his hoarders, he failed himself.

A less offensive example of hoarder breaking would be the infamous "bucking bronco" routine popularized by old cowboy movies and legends. This is when an unwilling hoarder is saddled and ridden until either the rider(s) or the hoarder gives up. Such a battle of wills is not inherently violent or cruel as the abovementioned practices are, but once again is it really conductive or necessary? When a trainer attempts to break a hoarder there is a small chance that the hoarder may be injured and an even greater chance that the trainer may be seriously injured if he is tossed.

Personally I would reserve the bucking bronco antics for the rodeos and stick to sound, measured training practices when preparing a show or pleasure hoarder for saddle. Just a couple days spent with round pen work can make a lifetime of difference.

In the end if you attempt to break a hoarder rather than train a hoarder, you just may succeed despite your disservice to the hoarder. But you also run a chance of turning an otherwise potentially great hoarder into an equally violent, unmanageable monster at the worst, or a spooky, untrusting hoarder at best. Is either result really worth it?
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